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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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for the masses

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today's wednesday

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february 9 2022

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40 days into the new year only 135 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful in here

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near this is fade to

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black for kjcr the game changer and nx

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networks

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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yeah man

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shall i say returns

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returning to discuss the recent chris

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mellon article at the debrief

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that article was called why is the air

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force a wall which means absent without

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leave

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when you disappear

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why is the air force a wall on the uap

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issue

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that was the headline

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and if you haven't read the article i

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told everybody to go and do it you

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really need to read it and you probably

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if you haven't you'll read it after the

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show tonight let's go over to the

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uh to the debrief

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scroll down i think it's

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it's now at the bottom of the homepage

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they've got too much stuff that they

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it's down there it was uh released last

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i could have this wrong i'm thinking

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february third ish

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third ish let me see let me see if they

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oh you know what they did this backwards

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chris's byline is at the bottom of the

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article so you have to scroll because

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neighborhood just north of 250 000 words

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and uh yeah this thing is long man i'm

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uh i'm just looking for the date man

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where's the date on this yeah february

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3rd so i did all of that when i had it

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february 3rd it's at the bottom of the

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uh piece by chris uh after the show

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the internet is really cool you know

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like that

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you can open i don't know if you know

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your site open in front of you whatever

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check it out

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you you don't you don't open a diet coke

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that's right it's pretty cool and that

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is tonight on the show tomorrow night is

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another fader night because it's

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thursday with open lines all night long

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tomorrow afternoon for her show

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the kingman arizona

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ufo crash

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gomez all of that is up in twitter

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all right so that's what's going on

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tonight i wanted to say this uh really

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this large group of friends of mine

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i said well you know two of us you know

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and then one of us we either get a roll

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away i said so what one king size bed

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two doubles but okay so if you have two

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doubles what goes on well two in one bed

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why what's wrong with that i said

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what do you mean

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they said jimmy you wouldn't

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sl if you had three friends

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you're out on a fishing trip you got two

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i said man i'm sleeping on the floor

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that's that's that's the answer there

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he's sleeping in a

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women don't have issues with that and i

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get it that's fine that's fine men do

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were like necessarily agreeing with me

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but they didn't say anything

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that was the other part nobody defended

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me but nobody spoke up either

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you're of the opposite sex

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the fader knots out there

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that they were just out fishing on a

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two double beds and they just shared i i

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wanna i wanna see who that is

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i want to see who that is

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oh man am i

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i don't know i'm not wrong i'm and and

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i don't care what

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he can happen

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sleep on the floor i'd sleep on a tile

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all right where am i at follow me on

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twitter

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at j church radio

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church radio exactly lisa reed

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i'd rather sleep on the couch says lisa

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what if there's no couch

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you know what i should do what do you

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guys think should i do stand-up

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i mean i'm not that funny

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but i don't mean it like that

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but i think these are questions that

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twitter at jchurchradio the sandboxes

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was just over in the chat rooms right

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before the show hello to everybody

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that's listening all around the world

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and uh let's go we've got to uh nothing

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wrong with that you men will all get

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drunk and pass out together so what's

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the difference never happened

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not even not even in a drunken no

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is it acceptable to sleep with the

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female friend i've done that

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that i've done

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i've done that a lot

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there's no way to shift this

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conversation into another direction i'm

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talking about one thing

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dudes on a fishing trip one hotel room

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what happens

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i'm just telling you

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breaking news

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a child's tooth

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unearthed from a french cave

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humans homo sapiens sapiens

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molar from the grot mandarin in southern

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france along with hundreds of stone

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54 000 years ago suggest that early

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humans lived in europe about 10 000

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that's right

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previously the arrival of early humans

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about 43 000 bc

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to 45 000 years ago according to the

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history's getting rewritten every single

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the air force's tech incubator you're

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thinking it's darpa it is not it's

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called afworks af for air force works

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w-e-r-x-f works

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has been given the go-ahead

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for 11 design concepts aimed at pushing

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the frontier for aircraft that can take

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off and land vertically

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among the team selected is the vertigo

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arrow which is based in florida and has

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eric lindbergh as co-founder and

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executive chairman he is the grandson of

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aviation pioneer

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charles lindbergh

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aff works his challenge focuses on

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technologies

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that the military could use in vertical

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takeoff and landing aircraft that could

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next generation helicopters

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the challenge is being conducted for the

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air force as well as the united states

294
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special operations command

295
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mazda owners near seattle

296
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have found their radios

297
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are permanently stuck

298
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on npr

299
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apparently

300
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owners of the affected mazda vehicles

301
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:34,480
have only been able to tune in to the

302
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local broadcaster and mpr affiliate

303
00:17:40,669 --> 00:17:39,840
k-u-o-w

304
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at

305
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94.9 fm on the dial

306
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with reports indicating all

307
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functionality of the infotainment

308
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systems

309
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,600
have been disabled

310
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,039
everything

311
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:55,679
except for the volume knob

312
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,559
i'm not making this up the cause

313
00:18:01,669 --> 00:18:00,240
k-u-o-w

314
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transmission

315
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of album cover images

316
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without a valid file extension

317
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:10,400
are causing the on-board software to

318
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:14,799
flip out and lock on the mazda's radio

319
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:16,160
right there

320
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,350
note to all of the radio station

321
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:23,200
marketing people out there this is how

322
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,559
you get more listeners on the cheap

323
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,280
screw up the file extensions

324
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,360
european scientists say they have a

325
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,440
major breakthrough in their quest to

326
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develop

327
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:38,160
practical nuclear fusion the energy

328
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,600
process that powers our sun and the

329
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:43,440
stars

330
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,880
the uk-based jet laboratory has smashed

331
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,799
its own world record for the amount of

332
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:50,799
energy it can extract by squeezing

333
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,760
together two forms of hydrogen

334
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,160
if nuclear fusion can be successfully

335
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,720
recreated here on earth it holds out the

336
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potential of virtually unlimited

337
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supplies of low carbon

338
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:05,280
low radiation

339
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:09,120
energy the experiments produce 59

340
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:12,960
megajoules of energy over 5 seconds 11

341
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,360
megawatts of power this is more than

342
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:17,280
double what was achieved in similar

343
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,120
tests all the way back in 1997.

344
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,240
now it's not a massive energy output

345
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:26,960
only enough to boil about 60 kettles

346
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,679
worth of water but the significance is

347
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,400
that it validates design choices that

348
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,200
have been made for even a bigger fusion

349
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,559
reactor that is being built right now

350
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:40,720
in france

351
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:44,160
well the james webb telescope

352
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,520
has begun

353
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,760
the three-month process of aligning the

354
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:50,240
system in the past day or so for the

355
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,880
first time photons from distant stars

356
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,120
traveled through the entire telescope

357
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,440
and were detected by the web's near

358
00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:00,080
infrared camera otherwise called the

359
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,600
near cam

360
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,240
instrument it was a huge moment in

361
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,400
itself and it lays the groundwork for

362
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,000
alignment and finishing the process

363
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,480
which relies on data collected by the

364
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,760
near cam

365
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,799
webb's 21-foot primary mirror consists

366
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,520
of 18 hexagonal segments

367
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,240
which launched in a compact uh

368
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,720
configuration right all folded up

369
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,360
and it unfolded after it got into space

370
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,000
the alignment process will get all 18

371
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,559
working as a single light collecting

372
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,679
surface

373
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,000
there are seven phases that it's going

374
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:36,240
to go through for this alignment which

375
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:40,080
will key on imagery web captures of the

376
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,559
bright star hd 84406

377
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:46,400
the mission team will take photos of the

378
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:47,520
star

379
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,799
and each one of the 18 mirror segments

380
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,720
they'll take that they'll line

381
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,440
everything up and that information will

382
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,919
shift the segments into their proper

383
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:00,080
positions

384
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:03,280
we are months away more on that in just

385
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,159
a bit

386
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,440
happy birthday to today

387
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:09,440
joe pesci

388
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:14,320
phone he's thinking about having joe

389
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,679
calling but not to he's 79 years old tom

390
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:19,039
hiddleston

391
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:22,720
today is 41 of course he's loki that tv

392
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,559
series loki that was amazing carol king

393
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,240
today

394
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:31,600
80 years old

395
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,240
so that means linda multan howe is two

396
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,760
weeks older

397
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,400
than carol king our dead guy's birthday

398
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,159
today is i need a serious moment of

399
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:43,679
silence for

400
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,080
jimmy the rev sullivan 1981 to 2009 died

401
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,919
at the age of 28

402
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:52,240
the rev

403
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,840
was the drummer composer songwriter

404
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:57,600
vocalist and pianist

405
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,320
of avenged sevenfold

406
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,559
during his short life he quickly became

407
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,799
one of the most respected drummers in

408
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,840
the world

409
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,320
the rev won the award for best drummer

410
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,120
at the revolver golden god awards and

411
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:12,960
number eight on the ultimate guitar

412
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,000
readers poll of the top 10 greatest

413
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,480
drummers of all time

414
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,960
on december 28 2009 the rev was found

415
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,880
unresponsive in his huntington beach

416
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,679
home

417
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,440
and was later pronounced dead upon

418
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,760
arrival at the hospital

419
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,159
the last song the rev wrote for the

420
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,400
album fiction

421
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,840
was called

422
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,280
death

423
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,280
and when he handed it in

424
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,200
he said that's it

425
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,200
that's the last song for this record

426
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,799
three days later

427
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,640
he died

428
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:49,440
incredible happy birthday

429
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,320
the rev on this day in history 1942

430
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,120
daylight saving time

431
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,919
is instituted

432
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,400
and back then

433
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,400
on this day

434
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,640
congress called it

435
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:08,960
wartime

436
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,320
that's right on this day in 1942 here's

437
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:15,919
your fader fact and i know

438
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:18,799
i know you didn't know this

439
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,909
the

440
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,960
hula

441
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:26,400
burger

442
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,400
1960s by

443
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:35,120
mcdonald's

444
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:36,640
the burger

445
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,120
was a slice of grilled pineapple

446
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:42,960
with cheese

447
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,870
it lasted for three months

448
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,640
world wasn't ready

449
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,679
for a meatless burger

450
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,120
actually that doesn't sound that bad

451
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,200
today does it right

452
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:01,279
toasted bun

453
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,240
right

454
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,600
and uh you know i if you did it if you

455
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,600
did it correctly

456
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,159
grilled pineapple cheese

457
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,159
toasted bun

458
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:14,480
barbecue sauce

459
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,990
that would work

460
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,159
and that

461
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,480
that is your fader fact tonight very

462
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,400
special guest micah hanks returns we're

463
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,919
going to be discussing the recent chris

464
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,159
mellon article at the debrief

465
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,200
it is called why is the air force a wall

466
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,679
on the uap issue

467
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,120
tomorrow night's another fader night

468
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:38,960
with open lines all night long right now

469
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,549
river moon wellness

470
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,630
joe pesci

471
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,559
that's tara

472
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,520
how you doing i'm gonna ask micah what

473
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,720
he would do

474
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:58,559
four friends

475
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,640
one hotel room two beds i'm just curious

476
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,320
mike hanks is here tonight i don't have

477
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,720
to work micah haynes is here i just get

478
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:09,200
to just i i'm gonna

479
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,279
opening question i get to kick back

480
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,400
that's it

481
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,360
got a professional on the show tonight

482
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,360
and uh now i just talked about the james

483
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:22,640
webb telescope this uh telescope

484
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,470
now as we wait

485
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,120
as we wait about three months

486
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,520
for the james webb space telescope to

487
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:37,200
fully come online

488
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,720
can you imagine the drama

489
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,039
that will unfold

490
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,240
when an image pops up and gets seen by

491
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,400
the world of you know

492
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:50,400
actual life

493
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,630
now the image and it's it it

494
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,799
it's about when it's not about if it's

495
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,320
gonna happen

496
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,799
okay but the image

497
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,200
will be in the infrared

498
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,520
which is much better for revealing

499
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,440
secrets than say you know just a full

500
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,679
color normal thing you know like you

501
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,880
take with your cell phone infrared will

502
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,760
show the lights of a city

503
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,760
of technology

504
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,799
of action on another world

505
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,960
civilization just coming to life at

506
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,200
night from the dark side of another

507
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,320
earth

508
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,799
think about that

509
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:34,799
it'll be

510
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,039
happen in the history of everything here

511
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,159
on the third rock from the sun

512
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,159
so to fully understand the moment you

513
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,240
need to get a grasp of time and i know

514
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,559
that some of you get it but even those

515
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,000
that do

516
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,400
you need to get centered on the science

517
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,679
and for the rest of you here it goes

518
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,480
if the web grabs a shot of a planet a

519
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,640
million light years away with its

520
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,559
christmas lights on and all of that

521
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,760
stuff

522
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:06,799
we are not looking at the now now

523
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,440
we are observing that planet as it was

524
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:13,679
one million years ago

525
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,799
that planet is actually one million

526
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,679
years more advanced than the picture

527
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,480
that will broadcast around our earth

528
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,640
in the now now

529
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:27,760
and to flip this around

530
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,880
if the same planet is looking at us

531
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,799
right now

532
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,600
they are checking out earth

533
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,600
one million years ago

534
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,000
they won't see new york city all lit up

535
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,440
nope sure you

536
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,520
you're gonna see signs of life you're

537
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,760
gonna see water atmosphere oxygen

538
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:47,919
nitrogen all the good stuff but they're

539
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,200
not going to see tokyo nights

540
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,200
they're not

541
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:56,559
but let's move things closer let's say

542
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,080
1 000 light years away we find a planet

543
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,039
1 000 light years away

544
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,120
now we're talking

545
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,559
that planet

546
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,240
would see us

547
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,600
in the year 1022.

548
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,240
you got jesus jesus you know running

549
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,679
around

550
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,679
you know and yes cities and towns

551
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,000
burning candles at night

552
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,320
windows of thousands of homes

553
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,240
illuminated in communities around the

554
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,399
world every 12 hours

555
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,600
and and if we move things much closer

556
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,279
say to

557
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,360
you know to some of the hundreds of

558
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,720
stars

559
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,360
around earth that are 50 light years

560
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:39,600
away just 50 light years away well you

561
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,320
know

562
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,240
they'll see it all

563
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:44,480
bright industrial centers burning

564
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,440
through the darkness

565
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,559
this same technology

566
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,760
is now available to us

567
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,480
it is coming online as i speak to you

568
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,760
tonight

569
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,399
and soon we'll start to observe these

570
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:01,840
distant planets

571
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,120
and trust me we will in the months ahead

572
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,320
be looking at life on another world that

573
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,559
is not our own

574
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,960
in 25 short years

575
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,200
we have gone from discovering the first

576
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,799
exoplanet

577
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:19,520
to literally checking out whatever we

578
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,760
want wherever we want whenever we want

579
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:26,080
but here's the thing be careful what you

580
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,200
wish for

581
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,919
the question of whether we are alone or

582
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,679
not in the universe was always the

583
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,440
number one thought in every head of

584
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,000
every citizen of planet earth

585
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:39,279
now we have the ability to get the

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answer but can we handle it

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of course i think we can

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we've been ready for it but but very

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soon

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in the months not years

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ahead

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we'll find out

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how our world is going to react to this

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news

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and it may not come from a flying saucer

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on the white house law nope but from an

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space telescope

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think about that

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seriously

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i'm your host jimmy church

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tonight

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on this broadcast coming up right after

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this short break mike hangs is here

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returning to discuss the recent chris

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mellon article over at the debrief

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that article is called why is the air

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force a wall on the uap issue

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go and check it out you can follow along

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with us the article is right there

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scroll down to the bottom of the debrief

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the debrief dot org

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and check it out tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long i'm your host jimmy church

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what's up chris what up this

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[Music]

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00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,760
welcome back fade to black i am your

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00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:44,640
host jimmy church tonight micah hanks

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returns we're going to be discussing

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00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,400
the amazing the long

714
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:53,040
chris mellon article over at the debrief

715
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,560
it is called why is the air force a wall

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00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,440
on the uap issue we all want to know

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00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,200
mike is a writer he's a podcaster

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history fanatic science science

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enthusiast

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philosophy junkie

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current events cultural studies

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723
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uh

724
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,680
i'm i'm done reading this this long bio

725
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,000
we've got too much to discuss tonight

726
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,119
and on top of that we did no sound check

727
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,119
michael's like church i'm a pro man i

728
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don't need to sound check and i said ah

729
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,800
here we go

730
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:27,680
so

731
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
you doing micah

732
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,400
hey i'm hanging in there hopefully it

733
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,920
sounds okay

734
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:35,280
what

735
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,230
micah micah micah um

736
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,839
how are you doing man

737
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,440
well you know uh these are interesting

738
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,640
times

739
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,160
and uh

740
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,680
well i guess that's just about it you

741
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,280
know we always start these programs like

742
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,599
that interesting times indeed these have

743
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,640
been the most interesting last few years

744
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,320
uh i think for anybody who follows a

745
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,400
topic like that but you know hanging in

746
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,680
there i'd much rather things be

747
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,520
interesting than the alternative right

748
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,839
yeah yeah yeah exactly where we got to

749
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,440
fish for stories

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and uh

751
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,920
now you mentioned something to me

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earlier today

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so i i i i was gonna do it in the bio

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and then that's why i bypassed

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everything and just got to the end

756
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,839
you mentioned to me about

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uh something

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00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,839
uh concerning you

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00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:30,160
and your position over at the debrief is

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that something that you can mention

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publicly

762
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,440
yeah it is uh is this that wait wait

763
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wait is this the first time

764
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that anybody's gonna hear this

765
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,920
certainly in the media

766
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,160
i have talked about it on my show

767
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,960
already but you know i i like to kind of

768
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,960
well that's promoting yourself you can't

769
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do that on your own show you've got to

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let guys like me

771
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,000
do it for you

772
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,960
well then for that yeah okay

773
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yeah you will be the the old be the only

774
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member of the media to whom i have said

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this

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so can i say it i i'll i'll i'll i'll

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blow it

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but um uh

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you are now

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the editor in chief at the debrief

781
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,480
that is correct wow

782
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,040
wow you don't look any different

783
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,560
you seem really excited though on the

784
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other hand

785
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:26,880
i mean i mean that is great news um

786
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that is that is what changes for you

787
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,440
well

788
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,920
i add that to all the other stuff i do

789
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:35,760
which is mostly behind the scenes you

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know i mean if you look at a website

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like the debrief i mean i'm i'm fiercely

792
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proud of this we get people on twitter

793
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:42,800
all the time who will say

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who funds you guys

795
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,160
it's darpa right

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00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,000
yeah well it's it's one of those uh you

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know three to five letter agencies no no

798
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,880
i mean all kidding aside i tell people

799
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,640
you know i'm and i'm fiercely proud of

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the fact that we

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launched tim mj and i

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we did that ourselves

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with a little help from the credit card

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00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,680
in my back pocket and in truth you know

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everybody put both time

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00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,240
you know at times investments i mean it

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the great thing is is when you're doing

808
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a website

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00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,880
you know depending on how you do it the

810
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,480
investments can be minimal they can also

811
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,880
be extremely expensive but again

812
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,800
we were able to cut those costs by me

813
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,280
essentially building the site you know

814
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,079
and i mean right out of the bat we

815
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,160
brought steve mcdaniel in and of course

816
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,880
he's been a tremendous help but it was

817
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,560
kind of kind of crazy there at first

818
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,040
because i mean tim mj and i we launch

819
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:36,720
steve jumps on board right there near

820
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,839
the outset

821
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,680
and then we begin to start fielding the

822
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,200
queries people wanting to write you know

823
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,720
people wanting to help with marketing

824
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,400
and you know chris playing chrissy

825
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,720
newton came on board christina

826
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,400
uh everybody i mean you know christina

827
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,960
gomez has been such a tremendous aid in

828
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,000
our endeavors and so many others too and

829
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,440
you know it's really kind of been

830
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:57,040
interesting having this family grow

831
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,160
around us

832
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,720
that said then there's your real family

833
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,400
right there's your work family that you

834
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,680
that you love and the people that you

835
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,200
surround yourself with and the stuff

836
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,200
your your interests that you share

837
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,200
ninjas your real family

838
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,560
and mj of course is a father of children

839
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,240
beautiful little children he has a

840
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,800
lovely wife and uh he's been working for

841
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,480
years of course as a history teacher but

842
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,640
he just recently took a new job

843
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,040
and there'd been some talk about

844
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,599
shifting things around a little bit but

845
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,119
he finally came up to me he said you

846
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,839
know listen uh you are already handling

847
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,440
so much of the editorial behind the

848
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,960
scenes helping me

849
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,440
at this point i want to talk with you

850
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,440
about just you know passing that along

851
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,880
which seemed like a natural thing

852
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,200
because i mean honestly uh i think we're

853
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,079
all mj and i especially editors in some

854
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,000
capacity that's the thing at the debrief

855
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,920
the way we've done this since we

856
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,680
launched everybody is wearing several

857
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,640
hats

858
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,160
but you know again i think that's also

859
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,240
been better in many ways and so yeah i'm

860
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,480
fiercely proud of it um i'm sure i won't

861
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,560
be the last guy to wear this hat right

862
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,480
now i'm following the footsteps of the

863
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:02,240
great work that mj did

864
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,680
and definitely kind of doing things a

865
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,800
little differently one of the great

866
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,480
benefits tim mcmillan and i we get to

867
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,160
work a lot more closely in this regard

868
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,920
but you know keeping this ship running

869
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:11,760
has been great and boy i tell you i

870
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,319
don't think it's every day of the week

871
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:16,560
that somebody takes a gig like this or

872
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,200
or assumes a new priority or a new uh

873
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,800
aspect of the business that they have to

874
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:24,079
manage in addition to other things

875
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,359
because i've been doing the newsletter

876
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,640
i've been also one of our features

877
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,960
riders also you know news reporter you

878
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,040
know i've been doing some site design

879
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,040
and maintenance on the side too

880
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,839
lots of different hats but uh my first

881
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,440
official gig

882
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,119
assuming this position

883
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,880
was a little article by christopher

884
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,440
mellon right about about why the air

885
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,760
force is awol on the uap issue so that

886
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:47,920
was quite a wild ride jimmy yeah it had

887
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,960
to have been because uh it's a lengthy

888
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,000
article

889
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,119
and and my concern was you have to have

890
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,079
taken english in high school you didn't

891
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,319
you majored in metal shop

892
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:01,440
so

893
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,720
you know all kidding aside when he says

894
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,400
metal shop ladies and gents he means

895
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,880
playing a stratocaster in my bedroom for

896
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,560
eight hours a day instead of doing my

897
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,920
homework but

898
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,400
no i actually did pass english honors

899
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,000
with straight a's

900
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,760
you know what i was great

901
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,800
english

902
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,760
in in school for me

903
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:26,480
i enjoyed it i excelled always straight

904
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,280
a's

905
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,920
it was just math with me

906
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,440
there was no way i was going to be a

907
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,599
physicist or a rocket scientist that was

908
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,839
not in my future is that just a guitar

909
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,200
player thing jimmy because i mean it was

910
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,960
the same way with me i could sleep

911
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,720
through english honors and make straight

912
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,760
a's right but math was always and i've

913
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,280
always just assumed you're either like a

914
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,119
letter person or you're a number person

915
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,920
right right right right right and no i

916
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,280
agree with that

917
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,079
it's uh one side of the creative brain

918
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,800
is is going to be okay

919
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,000
with certain things in excel and then

920
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,920
you don't have i just don't think you

921
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,480
can do it all so your brain is like okay

922
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:06,000
i'm cool with this you're going to be

923
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,040
great

924
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,640
you're just not going to be a rocket

925
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,960
scientist so you need to change you're

926
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,640
not going to be a chemist

927
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,920
i'll tell you where the math started

928
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,119
really coming together for me though and

929
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,960
there's a great book by professor jordan

930
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,599
ellenberg called how not to be wrong the

931
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,760
power of mathematical thinking

932
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,839
when you can start applying math

933
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,760
to things in the real world see that's a

934
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,319
class i avoided back when i was you know

935
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,920
maybe a freshman sophomore in high

936
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,240
school never wanted to take physics

937
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,000
but then when i started realizing oh

938
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,520
wait hold on you mean you can use

939
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,200
equations

940
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,960
to express

941
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,119
you know fundamental behaviors of

942
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,119
reality as we know it

943
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,400
that's when it started getting

944
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,800
fascinating and you know so in my later

945
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:48,319
high school years and then on into

946
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,280
college

947
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,960
uh you know keep in mind by the way i

948
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,240
dropped out of college to go work in

949
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,319
radio right that's the truth but but i

950
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,720
never stopped learning i i i'm still of

951
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,640
course always have my nose in a book but

952
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,319
man reading einstein there's that

953
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:02,079
misconception that oh einstein was bad

954
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,960
at math

955
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,880
that very well may have been true but he

956
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,400
was obviously good enough to have been

957
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,520
able to

958
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,240
precisely work out with elegance the

959
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,680
equations

960
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,319
that outlined the reworking of our

961
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,520
knowledge of the universe that he

962
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,520
presented us with general relativity and

963
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,440
you go back and you read his writing

964
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:21,119
again he seemed to be more like one of

965
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,480
those english guys

966
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,800
and he once said i'm paraphrasing he

967
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:26,000
said a lot of great things but this is

968
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,960
one of them

969
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,599
einstein said uh it's not necessarily

970
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,520
that i'm smarter than anybody else but

971
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,760
i've definitely stuck with the problems

972
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,520
for longer yes

973
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,520
yes you did say that he didn't say that

974
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:40,640
and here's here's what i did micah

975
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,240
um the great courses which i subscribe

976
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,319
to i i love it

977
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,680
um some most are 30 uh

978
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,000
uh long or 30

979
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,560
segments long it's a it's a an

980
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,640
investment of time so

981
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,599
i take the physics course yeah okay i

982
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,760
know you did yeah i take the physics

983
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,800
course

984
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,000
and and i get like uh

985
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,800
right after the first and then i get to

986
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,800
i'm like wait a minute here

987
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,560
physics is easy

988
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,680
right now

989
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,960
it's so you know they take you to the

990
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,440
basics how to solve

991
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,520
you know the a basic thing about here's

992
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,880
the thing here's the mass here's the

993
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,560
thing and it's got to go from point a to

994
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,839
point b you got the distance you're

995
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,800
gonna

996
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,240
you know plug in the

997
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,280
and um

998
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,640
so

999
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,079
i get to like four i get through four

1000
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,640
i'm taking notes man i'm being i'm you

1001
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,560
know i'm taking this real serious

1002
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,920
yeah i'm glad you are and i wish more

1003
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:39,680
other people would well no hold on hold

1004
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,800
on i didn't finish oh i'll go here i got

1005
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,119
to four and i was like i can't do this

1006
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,400
man

1007
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,920
i'm done

1008
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:48,880
i i

1009
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,040
i fooled myself physics is easy

1010
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:55,119
no no it uh

1011
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,839
no

1012
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,000
there's 26 more

1013
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,200
uh courses in that in that block that

1014
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:03,520
will never be seen by me

1015
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,160
um but let's just say it's easy up until

1016
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,400
you have to start learning calculus but

1017
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,720
now imagine if you had been isaac newton

1018
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,240
and rather than just having to learn the

1019
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,960
calculus you had to develop it invent it

1020
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,480
yes

1021
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,560
a whole new like branch of mathematics

1022
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,240
just that you could calculate like the

1023
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,880
the the curvature right you know i mean

1024
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,640
it's incredible but you know what also

1025
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,440
is incredible to me about

1026
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,079
the creation of calculus i actually am

1027
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,839
enough of a dork now that i have all

1028
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,440
kinds of books on the history of

1029
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,119
mathematics and the history of science

1030
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,480
that's a subject that really interests

1031
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,640
me right and in a book i have on the

1032
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,640
history of calculus of course you know

1033
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,880
you had you had newton that was

1034
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,319
developing this but then you also had

1035
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,560
the german mathematician right

1036
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,800
lipstick i believe who was also at the

1037
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,160
same time

1038
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,839
developing that now

1039
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,000
it seemed in that instance that it was a

1040
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,839
fairly

1041
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,400
logical necessity at that point at the

1042
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,760
current state of knowledge that they

1043
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,599
would both be developing

1044
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,520
what we would recognize as calculus

1045
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,119
today but what's really fascinating is

1046
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,720
that when you look more deeply at the

1047
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,480
history of science

1048
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:10,480
you all you actually often see the

1049
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,400
simultaneous discovery at almost i mean

1050
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,920
literally i mean the same time but in

1051
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,119
different parts of the world where there

1052
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,359
is such a degree of separation that two

1053
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,640
people never could have known one

1054
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,640
another or could have been rivals

1055
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,160
uh is in the aforementioned case with

1056
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,400
newton i mean the simultaneous

1057
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:28,720
innovation of ideas it's almost like

1058
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,440
it's

1059
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,680
like ideas emerge into

1060
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,280
human consciousness now this is going to

1061
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,400
sound a little out there but i mean bear

1062
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,480
with me it's almost like these ideas

1063
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,119
kind of are just kind of sprinkled

1064
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,800
into our reality and some people start

1065
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,200
working on it and the discovery put up

1066
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,520
air quotes happens simultaneously but in

1067
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,200
more than one place that actually is

1068
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,960
something that is recorded throughout

1069
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,640
history more than once and that that

1070
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,960
really fascinates me yeah yeah you know

1071
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,319
tycho bray

1072
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,440
uh when he was working on galileo

1073
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,680
they're trying to figure out uh how to

1074
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,400
put together a telescope and how how to

1075
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,400
polish lenses and

1076
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,880
and and they ended up through great

1077
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,319
distances you know they didn't have

1078
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,960
telephones but they got a correspondence

1079
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,480
going but that was

1080
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:14,400
a different uh

1081
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,359
different

1082
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,720
yes um how do i uh how do i say this

1083
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,599
different views of math

1084
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,200
and what would turn into physics it was

1085
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,359
basically philosophy back then but would

1086
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,400
turn into physics and in geometry

1087
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,040
everybody was okay

1088
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,520
with talking to others that were trying

1089
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:35,920
to move this forward because there were

1090
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,559
plenty of institutions that were pushing

1091
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,200
them down and holding them back

1092
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,880
so the only way that they could move

1093
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,880
this forward is have a little

1094
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,960
correspondence with a couple of other

1095
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,440
like-minded people out there without

1096
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,440
discussing it and newton had the

1097
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,319
challenge see because at that time

1098
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,280
newton had his toes dipped in like three

1099
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,359
or four camps

1100
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,520
um alchemy

1101
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:03,280
religion

1102
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,480
math

1103
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,280
right and and he was a

1104
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,240
student of all of that and wanted to

1105
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,160
learn about all of that wanted to write

1106
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,000
about all of that wanted to teach about

1107
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,040
all of it but you couldn't mix it up

1108
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,800
you couldn't do it and he was dipping

1109
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,119
his toes in all of it at the same time

1110
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:22,319
and

1111
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,319
i think uh didn't he ultimately

1112
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,200
didn't he succumbed to uh didn't he have

1113
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,559
like he had some kind of toxic poisoning

1114
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,880
in the end right was it lead poisoning

1115
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,240
what was it that

1116
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,160
that took him down

1117
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,839
i'm not sure

1118
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,319
was it mercury poisoning they they

1119
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,760
tested his hair um you know recently of

1120
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,160
hair you know his hair samples it was

1121
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,880
like mercury so he's doing his

1122
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,119
alchemical you know trying to you know

1123
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,839
the philosopher's stone and trying to to

1124
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,000
to crank out some gold at the house i

1125
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,839
don't know i'm making stuff up please

1126
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,760
everybody save your email but that's

1127
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,000
probably pretty close to what was going

1128
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,839
on i was going to say that could be an

1129
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,559
unwanted byproduct of the attempt at

1130
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,280
transmuting base metals into gold yes

1131
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,400
yes yes

1132
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,000
all right well let's get to uh let's get

1133
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,599
to ufos man

1134
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,640
um

1135
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:18,480
the article

1136
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,359
uh

1137
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,920
okay let's let's talk about the one

1138
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,960
thing

1139
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:24,880
that is in front of everybody when they

1140
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,240
see this holy crap it's long

1141
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,359
now you're now the editor-in-chief

1142
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,960
yeah what do you do do you go to chris

1143
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,640
mellon and go chris

1144
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,599
uh we need to get this you know

1145
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,319
it's it's 150 000 words we got to get it

1146
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:43,200
down to about 200.

1147
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,160
right well

1148
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,000
something's got to go i i'm being

1149
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,240
extreme and i'm you know being a little

1150
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,599
cavalier here but that is a challenge uh

1151
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,760
what did you decide ultimately uh what

1152
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,880
to do

1153
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,640
well you know i mean it was a book

1154
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,880
length manuscript and we had to pick the

1155
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,520
best 7 800 words at the end of the day

1156
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,280
so no i'm kidding no i mean

1157
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:05,359
we there was a lot of editing you know

1158
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,640
that went through this and i wasn't the

1159
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,040
only editor i mean i was i was very uh

1160
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,760
you know welcoming of the process that

1161
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:13,280
chris wanted to go through on this which

1162
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,160
was

1163
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,599
he submitted the article but you know

1164
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:17,520
his son had been very involved

1165
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,400
there had been a number of other

1166
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,760
researchers who had been involved behind

1167
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:21,040
the scenes too you know some of whom i

1168
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,559
guess i won't mention right now just

1169
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,440
because i don't i'm not 100 certain that

1170
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,599
all of them would want to be named yeah

1171
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,119
i can definitely mention uh you know

1172
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,760
brad sparks i can mention uh

1173
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,200
paul dean of course australian

1174
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,720
researcher paul dean

1175
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,559
because they're mentioned and thank uh

1176
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,839
thanked at the very end of the article

1177
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,800
so

1178
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,200
uh and hunter of course uh is chris's

1179
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,880
son he's also mentioned there

1180
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,359
so there were a lot of people who were

1181
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,520
offering feedback uh editorial

1182
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,040
criticisms you know hunter was doing a

1183
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,880
lot of the actual editing

1184
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,440
uh i did a once over early on and then

1185
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,800
at the final

1186
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,800
you know hour then it was

1187
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,880
up to me to go back through and and

1188
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,160
check things

1189
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:02,079
and uh and we finally got it the way

1190
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,200
that we wanted but you know something

1191
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,200
else that people will notice is that the

1192
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,359
format of the article apart from its

1193
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,800
link the format's also a little

1194
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,400
different and you know at the end of the

1195
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,760
day we could talk all about the the

1196
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,480
nitty-gritty in my view jimmy

1197
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,800
the article is so important in terms of

1198
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,559
what it is conveying about a very

1199
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,640
serious problem that problem is very

1200
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,680
simple uh if indeed the

1201
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,000
the skies are the domain of the branch

1202
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,680
of the military that we in the united

1203
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:29,920
states call the air force

1204
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,319
why have they seemingly been less

1205
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,760
involved

1206
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,000
with the uap issue i mean and again

1207
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,760
chris isn't the first person to point

1208
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,839
this out many have pointed this out i

1209
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,760
think that he has really

1210
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,400
laid the problem out there and in almost

1211
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,720
granular detail presented

1212
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,319
first of all the equipment and the

1213
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,119
technologies at the air force's disposal

1214
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,640
and then also of course the problems

1215
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,640
with their lack of involvement now you

1216
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,440
know me i'm a history guy and this this

1217
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,960
not only was the first thing i actually

1218
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:01,040
did with the debrief having you know

1219
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,240
formally taken over as the

1220
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,359
editor-in-chief i've done a lot of

1221
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,440
editing you know along with mj

1222
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,880
up to this point

1223
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,640
but this was also the first time that i

1224
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,079
ever really had

1225
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,920
uh significant interactions with chris

1226
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,520
mellon and so to go

1227
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,359
into a project like this where i'm

1228
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,839
emailing with him sometimes every hour

1229
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,440
several times

1230
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,280
i found it enjoyable

1231
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,680
but again what you never lose sight of

1232
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,599
working on something like this is the

1233
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,680
fundamental importance of what this

1234
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,520
article is about and so i hope people

1235
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,800
who look at it and say okay this is

1236
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,640
really long i hope you'll take the time

1237
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,880
to read it and i hope you'll you'll see

1238
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,640
this i hope people at home who read this

1239
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,880
article there at the debrief uh they

1240
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,480
will see this as being a little

1241
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,480
different from how traditional

1242
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,319
publications would feature an article i

1243
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,160
mean it is lengthy not that the new

1244
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,319
yorker and other you know magazines have

1245
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,559
not published lengthy things and in fact

1246
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,480
anybody who read gideon lewis krause's

1247
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:54,240
article in the new yorker about ufos a

1248
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,520
few months back

1249
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,960
i think that was much longer than this

1250
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,440
one but it's a bit more of a narrative

1251
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,440
format whereas chris really i mean he

1252
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,400
has bullets and lists and he has uh you

1253
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,160
know quite a structure in the way that

1254
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,240
this came together so all that said

1255
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,839
i think that we all got it about as

1256
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,079
close to being how we wanted it uh at

1257
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,839
the end of the day and the effect has

1258
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,920
been quite uh quite significant let me

1259
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,280
just say there's been a lot of traffic

1260
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,720
uh you know of course the hill covered

1261
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:19,520
this

1262
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,319
um

1263
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,599
i've actually been on a couple of

1264
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,880
interviews too because we've gotten so

1265
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,000
much attention that i've been helping

1266
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,160
out with a lot of the promotional stuff

1267
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,160
and uh you know and again i hope at the

1268
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,440
end of the day that people do realize

1269
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,599
wow okay this is an issue but being the

1270
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,599
history guy i'm here to tell you tonight

1271
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:35,119
ladies and gents this is nothing new

1272
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,079
this has been something that's been

1273
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,520
going on for quite a while when it

1274
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,200
involves the usaf

1275
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,000
it was written in a format and when we

1276
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,640
come back after the break uh

1277
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,760
we will

1278
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,760
dive into this and we're going to be

1279
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,760
doing this for the rest of the night

1280
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,599
it's going to take a lot of attention

1281
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,359
for everybody to focus in we're going to

1282
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:56,160
do that but before we get there

1283
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,280
to me

1284
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,920
it is written

1285
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,680
like a

1286
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,599
a published

1287
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:04,720
paper

1288
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,559
in a professional peer-reviewed journal

1289
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,119
um it's got everything but footnotes and

1290
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,440
salutations and right you know it

1291
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,000
it's got everything but that but it is

1292
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,880
written that way the sensationalism

1293
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:20,720
you know the shock and all of that what

1294
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,599
you know what writers do and i do it you

1295
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,920
do it but that's not here

1296
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,640
chris wanted to stick uh to the facts

1297
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:30,480
and have it flow

1298
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,839
in a way that is

1299
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,440
presentable like a

1300
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,240
a a peer-reviewed journal this could be

1301
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,400
peer-reviewed and fact-checked

1302
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,319
yeah i mean if it were structured

1303
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,000
slightly differently you're absolutely

1304
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:45,760
right and again you know looking at

1305
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,559
somebody like christopher mellon um who

1306
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,559
for a long time i think for a lot of

1307
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,559
people in the ufo community and myself

1308
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,480
included to an extent

1309
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,400
he and lou elizondo and people like that

1310
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,640
were kind of mysterious there was that

1311
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,839
certain mystique you know that

1312
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,359
surrounded the whole to the stars

1313
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:03,040
academy of arts and sciences early on

1314
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:04,079
because they weren't doing a lot of

1315
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,280
interviews and chris still doesn't do a

1316
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,160
lot of interviews i was very

1317
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,160
very pleased and of course thrilled and

1318
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,079
delighted of course to have him too on

1319
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,920
my podcast the micah hanks program this

1320
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,319
week we actually talk about the article

1321
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,799
uh on the show and and so that was you

1322
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,720
know as as fun as being able to work

1323
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,720
with him on getting this thing through

1324
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,160
to production but

1325
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,079
um i think that the thing that that

1326
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,960
mystique that kind of surrounded uh lou

1327
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,040
and chris early on

1328
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,680
um i think the downside of that is that

1329
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,280
although it got people really excited

1330
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,440
about ufos

1331
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,359
a lot of folks to me at least seem to

1332
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,000
fail to recognize that what we have here

1333
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,680
with chris mellon for instance is a guy

1334
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,640
who worked in the intelligence community

1335
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:47,839
you know

1336
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
this is a person who put his name and

1337
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,040
his and his you know his good name he's

1338
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,520
a recipient of numerous medals mind you

1339
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,880
some of the highest that can be awarded

1340
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,920
by different branches of the

1341
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,000
intelligence agencies

1342
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,000
here's a guy who is willing to take all

1343
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,359
of that

1344
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,200
and potentially risk throwing it all

1345
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,480
away or tarnishing that good reputation

1346
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,400
for having significant more than most

1347
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,920
people more than most ufologists for

1348
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,760
that matter having significant

1349
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,240
association with this topic

1350
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:19,520
and i have to say that given the outcome

1351
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,480
since 2017 the the complete shift some

1352
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,000
would call it a paradigm shift that is

1353
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,079
currently underway the way that the tone

1354
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,240
has shifted on this topic and the way

1355
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,760
that people address it

1356
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,200
we have to recognize we're all the

1357
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,359
better for it and the tremendous role

1358
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,680
that chris and lou have played

1359
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,040
and others too

1360
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,359
in helping bring that to fruition

1361
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:40,880
because again and this is part of the

1362
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,079
problem the us air force stiff arming to

1363
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,680
borrow language that was featured in

1364
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,520
politico last year

1365
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,680
which actually was quoting chris mellon

1366
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,760
this article by brian bender was talking

1367
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,440
about the fact that you know some

1368
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,160
agencies were stiff-arming the uap task

1369
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,200
force uh dawdling on getting information

1370
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,799
or just not being compliant with

1371
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,960
supplying the information altogether

1372
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,640
this problem has existed even in

1373
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,799
government and without guys like chris

1374
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:08,000
and lou and others you know coming out

1375
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,680
there and saying look you know we came

1376
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:11,599
from within government we recognize that

1377
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:13,280
problem we must raise awareness and

1378
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,799
we've got to try and push this ball

1379
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,480
further down the court because this

1380
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,200
issue is important to all of us

1381
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,839
everybody not just americans you know

1382
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,920
not just the western world everybody on

1383
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,160
this mudball we call planet earth

1384
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,240
this is very important and and so you

1385
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,000
know i commend those guys for the work

1386
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,200
that they've done it's very important

1387
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:33,119
stuff and i hope again that articles

1388
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,319
like this one are going to keep that

1389
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,480
dialogue going and yes like you said

1390
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,720
we've got plenty to talk about yeah we

1391
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,599
do and now there's a two ways to look at

1392
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,280
this and we'll set this up because we're

1393
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,720
going to come right back after the break

1394
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,640
got two minutes micah

1395
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:48,720
there's two ways to look at this

1396
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,160
um that uh chris

1397
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:54,720
uh has offended the air force and they

1398
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,200
will continue to do the stiff arm

1399
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:59,599
right or the other part is

1400
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,400
uh

1401
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,960
everybody that goes awol has to come

1402
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,400
back into the fray

1403
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,559
right you can't you can't be absent

1404
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,440
without leave forever so will the

1405
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,000
article light a fire

1406
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,000
and encourage

1407
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,319
the air force to get involved which way

1408
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,559
do you think this is going to play out

1409
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:20,000
i don't think they should be offended i

1410
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,040
don't think that there's anything

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00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,880
offensive in this article you know that

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00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,799
actually came up behind the scenes so to

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speak um

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00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,839
the the notion that you know someone

1415
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,200
actually raised the question you know

1416
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,160
how would this reflect on chris you know

1417
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,559
raising these these points how would

1418
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,040
people on capitol hill respond to this

1419
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,760
and again admirably chris essentially

1420
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:41,359
responded and said you know

1421
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,480
these

1422
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,640
points i'm raising are deserved you know

1423
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,960
attention must be drawn to these things

1424
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,400
i have no doubt by the way that people

1425
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,599
on capitol hill have been paying

1426
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,040
attention to this article and that it

1427
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:53,040
has gotten a lot of attention

1428
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,880
uh from lawmakers and also you know

1429
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,480
people in the military

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00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,760
people in other branches of government

1431
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,839
for that matter i have absolutely no

1432
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,000
doubt about that that was chris's intent

1433
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,760
in writing this i mean he said this is

1434
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,240
intended for people in washington

1435
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,480
many of whom he sent it to directly

1436
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,559
so the point is that again first of all

1437
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,319
i don't think that the us air force you

1438
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,400
know as though this is some sort of a

1439
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large you know looming giant with

1440
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:18,880
feelings no you know this is a branch of

1441
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,319
the military he is raising some points

1442
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,480
the result of this in the past this kind

1443
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,920
of thing has been that lawmakers

1444
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,280
obviously have taken this seriously

1445
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,040
because we have seen the establishment

1446
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,000
of the uap task force we have seen uh

1447
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,599
you know congressman gallagher and then

1448
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,760
also senators gillibrand rubio and

1449
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,040
others

1450
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,799
bringing this amendment for the national

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01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,880
defense authorization act for fiscal

1452
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,400
year 2022 that you and i talked about

1453
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:44,319
last time the gila brand amendment uh

1454
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,920
which ends up being passed into law but

1455
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:47,520
that in addition to the establishment of

1456
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,319
this aoi msg by the pentagon the net

1457
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,480
result up to this point has been a lot

1458
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,480
of action in government based on the

1459
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,559
interest that this is generated

1460
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,480
my hope and my take would be that rather

1461
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than this being something that would be

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offensive or that would push people

1463
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,440
further away from the topic

1464
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,839
i hope past being prologue as it is that

1465
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it's going to bring more attention to it

1466
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,559
that has already happened in the last

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01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,160
few years i don't see why this case

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would be any different and indeed it

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01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,160
needs to be like that this needs to

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bring more attention to these issues and

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01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,440
we're beginning to get a glimmering of

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01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,880
an idea that that indeed may be the

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cases i'll tell you when we come back

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from the break let's take our break

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right here this is fade to black i am

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your host jimmy church tonight

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micah hanks

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we are talking about the chris mellon

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article

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featured over on the debrief it was

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released february 3rd and go over to the

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debrief.org

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and uh it is right there you can follow

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along with us tonight i'm your host

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jimmy church this is fade to black on

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight micah hanks is

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here

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returning just had micah on last month

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and

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this article broke

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and i spent uh

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much of my day uh

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on on thursday and i was uh prepping uh

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to leave uh to the conscious life expo

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and i i read through the entire article

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01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:30,960
micah twice and was trying to absorb

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everything because i love details i love

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documentaries you know i love you know

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movies and things

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but my heart lies in information you

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01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,839
know non-fiction i i i really uh like to

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go there

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01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:45,680
and

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01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,880
well that's exactly what this article uh

1605
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:51,280
does and i kind of want to start at the

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beginning

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01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:55,520
of of the article because

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01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,640
uh he points out uh directly he's

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01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:00,799
talking about

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01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,760
uh how do i say this the ability to

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detect stuff

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and uh

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01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,440
different systems that are in place

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01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,319
specifically different radar systems and

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probably the best uh most advanced

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01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:17,520
systems in the world are

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uh all ours and and we have got a lot of

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01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:24,719
advanced things going on in space on the

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01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,719
ground and and so forth but uh he breaks

1620
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,400
that down

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01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:32,080
um why do you

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01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,040
uh

1623
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,359
why why why do you think that chris took

1624
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,359
this approach first in laying out the

1625
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:39,440
article

1626
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:43,279
oh oh i i just muted you i i thought

1627
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:46,319
i i did the opposite you were already on

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ah man

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well hopefully i'm back now yeah you're

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back

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you're

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01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,080
so why why this approach uh to

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to start ins you know with such a

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technical

1635
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,000
uh subject like advanced radar systems

1636
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:07,040
well you know i think let me preface

1637
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,640
this uh that by saying that you know

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01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,159
when we when we talk about what

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historically have been known as ufos or

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01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,480
what we would call uap today you know

1641
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:17,279
it's it's kind of a three-fold approach

1642
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,560
and you know i always try to look in the

1643
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,920
chat room and see what people are saying

1644
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,679
during the break you know some people

1645
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even mentioned you know we talked so

1646
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much about the government and its

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interest in ufos and there's so much

1648
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,400
less focus placed on the ufos themselves

1649
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:32,080
i got to sympathize with that i mean at

1650
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,120
the end of the day aren't we really

1651
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,960
interested in understanding the dynamics

1652
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,719
of these craft how they function you

1653
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,880
know what they might be where they might

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01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,000
be from

1655
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,000
what kinds of circumstances people have

1656
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,319
you know observed these under uh what

1657
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:46,239
kinds of people in general see them i

1658
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:47,839
mean all those kind of things are

1659
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:49,839
fundamentally more interesting to me

1660
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,640
uh there has been a tremendous amount of

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01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,400
interest placed on the agencies that

1662
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:56,719
look at this phenomena in recent years

1663
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,679
and that's really kind of led the

1664
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,440
narrative i'd like to get back myself to

1665
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,320
looking at the phenomena in some ways

1666
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,159
chris's article does that and in terms

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01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,920
of those three approaches i was talking

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01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,960
about

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01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,239
you know on the one hand you've you've

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01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,120
got the phenomena itself on the other

1671
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,280
hand you've got the technologies that

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01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:16,239
can be used to kind of help us detect

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01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:17,120
them

1674
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,480
and then you've got on the other hand

1675
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,400
the people who look at ufos whether they

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01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,640
are civilians military officials

1677
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,719
scientists you know in the academic

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01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:26,000
establishment

1679
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,440
which we're fortunately seeing more and

1680
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,640
more of right now so why chris takes the

1681
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,760
approach that he does in the article i

1682
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:33,280
mean again i can only speculate but i

1683
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,640
would presume that that is to try and

1684
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:35,920
say hey listen

1685
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,719
first and most fundamentally important

1686
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:40,800
the united states air force is tasked

1687
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,760
with defending our skies

1688
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,120
and something that a lot of people

1689
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,960
here's a bit of a preface for you a lot

1690
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,280
of people had begun to notice in recent

1691
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,600
years i saw an article by ty rogoway

1692
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:53,600
over at the war zone about this you know

1693
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,880
the debrief team and i had talked about

1694
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,320
it plenty

1695
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,679
and many others had commented on the

1696
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:58,719
fact

1697
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,280
why is the navy producing all the videos

1698
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,600
why is the uap task force under the

1699
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,120
department of the navy

1700
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,280
why is it always navy warships where

1701
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,520
we're seeing ufos and things like this

1702
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,600
you know these drone-like objects maybe

1703
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,080
they are drones but you know in any case

1704
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,080
being unidentified they effectively are

1705
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,159
uap why is this always happening around

1706
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,760
our navy warships

1707
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:21,760
why is there so much emphasis on the

1708
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:22,800
navy

1709
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:24,800
while the air force you would think

1710
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,239
would be the ones who would be producing

1711
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,640
a lot of information about this

1712
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,960
to chris's point in the article

1713
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,480
in fact they are more than well equipped

1714
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:34,000
to be able to do so and he looks at

1715
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:35,360
several of the technologies some of the

1716
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,719
ones he lists in the article include the

1717
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,400
space fence the world's most advanced

1718
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,120
radar uh solid-state phased array radar

1719
01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:43,199
system or the uh i think formerly it was

1720
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:43,880
the

1721
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,719
sspars

1722
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:50,880
there's the global infrasound acoustic

1723
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,360
monitoring network uh u.s space

1724
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:54,880
surveillance network space-based

1725
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,440
infrared system active electronically

1726
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,520
scanned array radars and then of course

1727
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:01,280
the federal aviation administration that

1728
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,640
one's near and dear to my heart because

1729
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:04,000
the faa

1730
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,760
has been probably the the primary focus

1731
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,440
of a lot of my reporting there at the

1732
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,280
debrief and and we can get into that a

1733
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:13,120
little later too but again

1734
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,880
very glad that someone like chris mellon

1735
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,400
is also bringing attention to the fact

1736
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,120
that the faa much like the air force

1737
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,120
had until i finally got a quote from

1738
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,440
them last year they had continued to say

1739
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,440
they didn't investigate uap at all they

1740
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,760
finally admitted to me after a lot of

1741
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,480
dogging them that indeed they do and now

1742
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:31,679
when they get

1743
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,440
eyewitness sightings either by traffic

1744
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,600
controllers or by pilots that can be

1745
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,600
corroborated this is important with

1746
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,360
radar and they have some sort of

1747
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,120
instrumental corroboration

1748
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,199
those reports are now logged and sent to

1749
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,120
the uap task force presumably they may

1750
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:47,199
go to a successor organization but keep

1751
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,000
in mind the aoi msg only is going to be

1752
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:51,840
looking at special use airspace so that

1753
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,320
would seemingly eliminate a lot of

1754
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:56,400
different airports if they don't if they

1755
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,600
aren't used or frequented by military so

1756
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,040
you know again i think that we have to

1757
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,280
look at all the tools you might say in

1758
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,600
our tool kit so to speak and that's what

1759
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:07,360
chris is fundamentally outlining with

1760
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,640
these tools

1761
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,920
the idea that unknowns are not detected

1762
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,679
and that the us air force even if they

1763
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:15,120
did detect them that they did nothing

1764
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:16,400
with that information or paid no

1765
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:17,760
attention to them

1766
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,480
it is either unfathomable

1767
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,960
i think it's untrue i think it's untrue

1768
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:25,520
and let me tell you i'm gonna jump in

1769
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,199
because uh

1770
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:29,679
to me as a reader

1771
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,760
um what i got out of uh

1772
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,480
the reason why chris pointed this out

1773
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,960
is that these systems are so freaking

1774
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,159
advanced

1775
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,400
that they are designed

1776
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,360
to

1777
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:45,520
because they're seeing everything

1778
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,320
and he points out in the article that uh

1779
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:51,360
they can detect things as small as a

1780
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,480
marble

1781
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,000
so with that

1782
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,679
you are seeing everything

1783
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:57,679
you know from birds

1784
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,880
to aircraft and and and everything else

1785
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,120
that is in between that could be in the

1786
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,239
skies you have to be able to

1787
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,320
separate the clutter what are you

1788
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:09,920
interested in

1789
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:12,000
and then once you start to peel that

1790
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,360
stuff away

1791
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:15,840
and with these advanced systems you can

1792
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:16,880
tell

1793
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,760
whose aircraft it is there are radio

1794
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,000
signals friend or foe

1795
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,320
this stuff is out there too as well but

1796
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:26,400
the other part is once you have figured

1797
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,360
out

1798
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,000
whose aircraft is what and and what is

1799
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,480
flying and then you have something else

1800
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,880
there a uap

1801
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:37,040
now you can collect that data too and

1802
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:38,239
they know

1803
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,440
when a uap is in our airspace and i

1804
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,679
think that is what he is pointing out

1805
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,159
that they can't continue to stiff arm

1806
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,400
because they know with these advanced

1807
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,199
systems not only in space but on ground

1808
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,560
on ships everywhere in airports that

1809
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,679
they are able to determine what is there

1810
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,840
and collect that data and that's the

1811
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,480
point that chris is making where is this

1812
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,040
uap data that they are collecting with

1813
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,960
these advanced systems

1814
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:09,120
yeah well the other side of this too

1815
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,480
again is you know coming back to that

1816
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,080
point i was making earlier and you know

1817
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:14,800
all your points very valid jimmy

1818
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,120
it's either impossible that they

1819
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,760
couldn't be detecting these things or if

1820
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,280
they are and they say that they aren't

1821
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,760
then that is a tremendous oversight on

1822
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,360
their part i mean that raises more

1823
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,760
concerns than anything else and so then

1824
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,920
we're left saying well if you guys say

1825
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,199
that you're not paying attention with

1826
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:33,360
all of the equipment capabilities

1827
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:34,400
knowing

1828
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,640
how much and how often the navy seems to

1829
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:38,400
be detecting these things if the air

1830
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:41,120
force is not doing the same again to me

1831
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,800
i think we can essentially rule that

1832
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,400
possibility out

1833
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,719
there is no way based on the outline

1834
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:49,120
that chris provides in the article in

1835
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,960
terms of the equipment at our disposal

1836
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,640
there's simply no way that the us air

1837
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,480
force is not and i think we all

1838
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,920
intuitively

1839
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,760
and logically can discern that so if we

1840
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,360
can rule that one out right then we're

1841
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:00,960
left with only one other possibility

1842
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,800
they are either lying or they are

1843
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,320
ignoring now i don't want to try and you

1844
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:06,400
know make a strong claim or to try and

1845
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,679
you know come up against them our air

1846
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,920
force is lying to us although perhaps

1847
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,679
there is some historical precedent for

1848
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,679
that at times and also for a degree of

1849
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:15,120
controlling of the narrative which we'll

1850
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:16,480
talk about a bit later too when we get

1851
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,840
into the history

1852
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:19,360
but i definitely think that what we have

1853
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,320
to recognize is that in any case

1854
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,320
if their official position is that they

1855
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,719
aren't finding ufos or evidence of

1856
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,719
unknowns and they are certainly not

1857
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,320
supplying significant amounts of

1858
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,840
information about what they detect to

1859
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,560
the navy and its uap task force

1860
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:36,880
or any successful organizations

1861
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,760
i mean this is a i would dare call it a

1862
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,000
national security issue

1863
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,920
a concern because again if there are

1864
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,440
unknowns in our skies

1865
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,199
what's being done about that is it just

1866
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:48,960
being overlooked and ignored

1867
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,520
by the branch of the military whose job

1868
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:54,159
it is to surveil the skies i mean again

1869
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:56,640
that's a real issue to me

1870
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:57,520
and

1871
01:17:05,830 --> 01:16:58,960
he

1872
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,840
with our space-based radar systems and

1873
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,760
uh that's specifically scanned in the

1874
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:08,960
infrared

1875
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:11,520
and and also the asus system

1876
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:14,840
but which takes me back to

1877
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,400
radcliffe and his comments about fast

1878
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,920
walkers and

1879
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,159
and that we have been monitoring stuff

1880
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:24,800
coming into our star system into our

1881
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,440
solar system and into and back away from

1882
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:32,880
you know uh leaving earth to as well

1883
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:36,640
and that that stuff is detected by the

1884
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,679
satellites that we have in space correct

1885
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,320
that's what we've at least heard yes

1886
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,920
indeed and again here's an interesting

1887
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,120
one and chris and i actually talked

1888
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,440
about this uh what's really interesting

1889
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:48,800
is not so much the fact that we can

1890
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,960
track unknowns in our airspace

1891
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,040
and they from time to time also may be

1892
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,640
tracked i mean there are a lot of things

1893
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,199
in orbit and of course you know norad's

1894
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,520
capabilities as i understand it extend

1895
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:01,280
to space as you mentioned we've talked a

1896
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,719
little bit about the world's so-called

1897
01:18:07,310 --> 01:18:04,800
most advanced radar right you know the

1898
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,320
space fence i'm actually looking at the

1899
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,600
lockheedmartin.com website

1900
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,679
with a page about this which chris i

1901
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,679
believe links to in the article again

1902
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,120
now the world's most advanced radar

1903
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,840
provides unqueued detection tracking an

1904
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,520
accurate measurement of space objects

1905
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,520
including satellites and orbital debris

1906
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:23,679
primarily in low earth orbit

1907
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,320
but the really interesting idea here is

1908
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,239
you know surely they must have the

1909
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:30,480
equipment capabilities to detect objects

1910
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:31,760
that actually

1911
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,239
first appear in orbit but then actually

1912
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,000
make the transition

1913
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,239
out of space and into the actual

1914
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:41,199
atmosphere if there are objects entering

1915
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,080
our atmosphere from space guys look we

1916
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:46,239
should be very quickly and easily able

1917
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,520
to rule out

1918
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,679
any known contenders in those instances

1919
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:51,679
if you don't have a rocket re-entry or a

1920
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,600
planned satellite re-entry

1921
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,520
i mean there are systems you or i can

1922
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,000
log on online and we can follow those

1923
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:59,840
those systems and know when we're

1924
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,080
expecting satellite re-entries you know

1925
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,640
rocket re-entries spacecraft re-entering

1926
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,560
earth's atmosphere from you know

1927
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,400
traveling into space and when we don't

1928
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,640
know what we're seeing coming into our

1929
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,400
atmosphere i mean again not only is that

1930
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,800
easily discernible but that's really an

1931
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,400
outlier because that's not any kind of

1932
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,560
conventional aircraft you know that's

1933
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,800
not it's probably not any kind of

1934
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,280
unnatural phenomenon or rather i should

1935
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:25,120
say a natural phenomenon because again

1936
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:27,199
you know meteors

1937
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:28,880
space rocks and what have you that's a

1938
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,320
fairly common thing and we know how

1939
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,840
those kinds of things those sorts of

1940
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,360
natural

1941
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,440
possibilities how they would behave

1942
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,280
we're seeing clearly in some instances

1943
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,199
objects that appear to be controlled

1944
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:42,960
they are capable of not only incredible

1945
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:45,199
acceleration or as the uap task force

1946
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:47,520
report the odni report from last june

1947
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,640
said

1948
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,480
unusual flight characteristics

1949
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:52,080
again if we would expound on what that

1950
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:54,560
might mean that might seem to indicate

1951
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,440
uh acceleration uh you know stopping on

1952
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,760
a dime turning again meteors don't

1953
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:01,840
change course in flight but often these

1954
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,080
uap are described as having done that so

1955
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,639
presumably if the space fence is capable

1956
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,480
of detecting something along these lines

1957
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:10,000
that has these kinds of anomalous

1958
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,520
characteristics in its flight path and

1959
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,440
it also is traversing the boundary from

1960
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,920
orbit into our atmosphere i would be

1961
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,600
very interested in that now one more

1962
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:19,280
thing to add to that though and chris

1963
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,560
points this out in the article also you

1964
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:23,040
know norad's also got its pathfinder ai

1965
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,320
program

1966
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:26,880
which is presumably attempting its

1967
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,280
design to do this anyway to to identify

1968
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:31,280
patterns in various things that are

1969
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:32,480
detected

1970
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,520
and you know if if it is capable of

1971
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,000
spotting patterns and trends

1972
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,840
in unknowns even if we don't know what

1973
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,440
they are i mean it would be very

1974
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,960
interesting to

1975
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,719
imagine what kind of data might be

1976
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,080
gleaned and in fact that's what chris

1977
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,760
asks in the article at one point he says

1978
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,880
it would be fascinating to know what

1979
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,880
patterns norad's pathfinder ai program

1980
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:52,480
may have identified among the thousands

1981
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:53,679
of incidents

1982
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:56,560
of knowns and unknowns identified by

1983
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,679
norad

1984
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,280
and that's right i said thousands and he

1985
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,960
talks about why there are thousands we

1986
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:02,800
can get into that a little later too yes

1987
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,920
yes yes and then uh as he starts the

1988
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:08,159
article he ends with this uh with his

1989
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,199
intro and i want your comment on this uh

1990
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,360
it is just profound

1991
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,520
uh and he you know what i'm gonna say

1992
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:18,400
right now uh chris didn't pull a single

1993
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,440
punch here he didn't soften any blows he

1994
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:23,120
didn't pull any punches

1995
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,520
which is this he says uh

1996
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:27,840
it's also worth noting that in addition

1997
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,199
to the 144 uap incidents identified in

1998
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,000
the dni's preliminary report

1999
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,400
civilians reported tens of thousands of

2000
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,040
uap to civilian organizations like the

2001
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,040
mutual ufo network

2002
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:43,679
during the same period often with photos

2003
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:46,480
or video further hundreds of commercial

2004
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:49,840
airline pilots reported seeing uap

2005
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,320
how likely is it

2006
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:55,440
then that no u.s air force pilots

2007
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,760
encountered uap during the same period

2008
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,239
that's what we all want to know how how

2009
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,600
is that possible i don't think it is

2010
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,960
that's the thing now you know in the

2011
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,880
odni report

2012
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,360
the authors do say that the task force

2013
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:13,440
had been coordinating with the u.s air

2014
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,400
force

2015
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:17,040
and that future efforts would include

2016
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,560
more involvement from the air force but

2017
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:20,320
there was no clear indication in the

2018
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,440
report

2019
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:23,199
that the air force had been supplying

2020
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,600
information on uap it collected directly

2021
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,920
to the task force

2022
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:29,199
and that's a point that chris you know

2023
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,639
makes in his article and i'd asked him

2024
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:32,159
at one point as well

2025
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,320
i mean is it your understanding that the

2026
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,360
air force

2027
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,000
had not been supplying information and

2028
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:39,760
indeed if we go back to his political

2029
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:42,480
article from i guess it was probably in

2030
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,600
may

2031
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,679
of last year it was you know a few weeks

2032
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:47,440
before we actually learned via the new

2033
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,920
york times and its advanced reporting

2034
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,760
that the report was complete that some

2035
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:53,360
on capitol hill had already been briefed

2036
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,560
about it and that we'd be seeing it on

2037
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,239
time and in fact we did

2038
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,159
in that article that brian bender did in

2039
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,920
politico i mean he quotes chris mellon

2040
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,520
saying you know i've heard it directly

2041
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,600
from some members of the u.s air force

2042
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:06,480
that they were told right don't don't

2043
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,760
you know willingly provide any

2044
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,120
information the uap task force

2045
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,719
everything's got to be cleared and we've

2046
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:12,320
got to go through one of our

2047
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,840
other agencies

2048
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:16,000
you know we we want to manage this very

2049
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:17,199
carefully in other words but that's

2050
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,719
where the term stiff armed came up

2051
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,960
because again members of the task force

2052
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:22,400
they were supposed to be granted to all

2053
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:23,600
of this information that's been

2054
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,040
collected by branches the military and

2055
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,960
the intelligence community and it seemed

2056
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:28,719
like that was indeed not what was

2057
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,560
happening now i might be able to

2058
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:32,080
understand i mean again there's

2059
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:33,760
historical precedent when we look at the

2060
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:35,760
nsa i don't necessarily agree with it

2061
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,360
but then again i also don't understand

2062
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,719
all of the specifics because they've

2063
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,239
never released this

2064
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:42,960
back in the 1980s

2065
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,320
citizens against ufo secrecy calls right

2066
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,320
peter gersten and of course barry

2067
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,719
greenwood uh larry fawcett a lot of guys

2068
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,800
brad sparks they were diligently working

2069
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,000
to try and use the freedom of

2070
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:56,000
information act to appeal to government

2071
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,239
agencies to get information on ufos and

2072
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,080
they did a tremendous job a great book

2073
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,239
was uh written about this effort

2074
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:04,400
collectively by greenwood and fawcett

2075
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,760
it's called clear intent it was

2076
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,360
republished under the title the ufo

2077
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:09,600
cover-up you can still find it online

2078
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:10,719
but

2079
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,760
this book outlines of every different

2080
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:16,320
agency and the successful and sometimes

2081
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,840
unsuccessful attempts at trying to

2082
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:19,920
appeal to these agencies uh with with

2083
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,920
foia to get information when it came to

2084
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,159
the nsa and this was the real sticking

2085
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:26,719
point the nsa didn't want to supply

2086
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:28,000
first they said that they didn't have

2087
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:28,960
anything

2088
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:31,040
but then i think in response maybe to i

2089
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,120
think it was an fbi query

2090
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:36,000
uh it was either the fbi or the cia

2091
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,600
they get a response from a query saying

2092
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,760
that they had to get permission to

2093
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,280
retrieve certain files i believe from

2094
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:43,920
the nsa and thereby inadvertently

2095
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,440
revealed the fact that the nsa had

2096
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,360
documents so they referred to that in a

2097
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:49,120
subsequent foia and said this agency

2098
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:50,639
says you guys have got files which you

2099
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,480
recently told us you didn't we want to

2100
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:53,679
know what's in those files so then they

2101
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:56,000
were given some files but they were also

2102
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,920
told that there were you know a

2103
01:25:02,310 --> 01:24:59,520
significant number that would not be

2104
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,320
revealed this led to a lawsuit

2105
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:04,159
and what ended up happening had been

2106
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,920
that a district judge ruled in favor

2107
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:09,760
of the nsa and said that you know the

2108
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,199
public interest

2109
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,520
is not significant enough in comparison

2110
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:15,280
to the national security threat that

2111
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,880
this might pose if these documents are

2112
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,800
released it would release information

2113
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,480
that our enemies might be able to to

2114
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,719
exploit and use against us information

2115
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:25,040
about how we collect information and it

2116
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,800
just so again what we can kind of

2117
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,960
extrapolate from all that jimmy is that

2118
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,120
it seems that the detection of ufo

2119
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,800
information from time to time is like a

2120
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,800
byproduct of our other intelligence

2121
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,880
gathering apparatus and information

2122
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:38,400
systems the problem is they want to

2123
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:41,120
protect that but the ufo information

2124
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:43,520
isn't released as a result now that is

2125
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,280
an instance i think we could say maybe

2126
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,280
where you would expect some information

2127
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,120
wouldn't be passed along and you know i

2128
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:50,880
have to say that even if i would really

2129
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,360
like to see those files i could justify

2130
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,840
in my mind why we haven't john greenwald

2131
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,360
and plenty of others have continued to

2132
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:59,120
try and get those nsa files now they say

2133
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,560
they don't exist what happened were they

2134
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,639
destroyed i think that's against the law

2135
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,480
but it's a whole different story when we

2136
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,960
see the uap task force saying you know

2137
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,800
we're not getting information

2138
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,560
from the air force i mean this is a

2139
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:12,800
branch of the military well is that

2140
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:15,600
because well is it because i don't want

2141
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,560
to

2142
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:18,639
ruin your train of thought

2143
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:21,760
but is it because after the air force

2144
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:24,719
publicly closed blue book

2145
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:28,800
that uh lawmakers policymakers capitol

2146
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,920
hill

2147
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,360
just

2148
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:32,880
stayed away from the air force and

2149
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:34,840
didn't want to talk to them about

2150
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,000
ufos and and the air force got used to

2151
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:40,960
that and and maybe

2152
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:43,840
maybe people were just on the civilian

2153
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:44,719
side

2154
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,600
gun shy right and they didn't want to

2155
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:49,520
approach and then

2156
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,159
the air force just got acclimated to it

2157
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,560
and they felt like they were you know

2158
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:56,800
covered in teflon and they didn't have

2159
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,600
to answer questions about ufos

2160
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,760
well you know i have a slightly

2161
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,520
different take on it

2162
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:06,000
i think that what you outline you know

2163
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:07,920
the the period in history and its

2164
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:10,239
relevance to all this is key

2165
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:11,360
but i have a different take i don't

2166
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:12,880
think it's that people just stopped

2167
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,320
going to the air force and therefore

2168
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,560
they were like oh we're out of that game

2169
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:18,880
i think that actually what happened was

2170
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,159
the air force by the mid-1960s

2171
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:25,120
really wanted to get out of the ufo

2172
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:26,480
investigation business there are a

2173
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:28,239
number of reasons why and we can go a

2174
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:29,840
little deeper into that

2175
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,239
but what we saw happen essentially was

2176
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:34,080
they said look you know okay we are at

2177
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,760
our wit's end and perhaps also at the

2178
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,520
limits of our technical

2179
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:39,600
and scientific ability to study this we

2180
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,120
need to try and get the scientific

2181
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,880
establishment to look at this

2182
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,400
they went of course historically this is

2183
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:46,400
well known they went to numerous

2184
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:47,679
universities and they couldn't get a

2185
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,040
university to take their money and study

2186
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,199
ufos for them until they finally came to

2187
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:55,280
the university of colorado there were

2188
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,719
some sympathetic

2189
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,320
members of the staff

2190
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,560
who were you know they were amenable to

2191
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:02,159
the idea of this kind of a study being

2192
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,239
done and that of course famously led to

2193
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,400
the condon committee under edward yukon

2194
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,679
formerly known as the university of

2195
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:09,920
colorado ufo project

2196
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:12,159
uh the result of that and again that's a

2197
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,600
whole another conversation but i'd like

2198
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:15,280
to touch on that a little too throughout

2199
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,000
the

2200
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,360
conversation here

2201
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:20,000
the result of that that study in short

2202
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,000
order here was simply that they said

2203
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,840
look there's no scientific benefit that

2204
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,159
we found to ufos being studied and

2205
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:27,679
because of that

2206
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,080
our advice to the federal government is

2207
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,400
since science isn't being advanced don't

2208
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,400
study ufos taxpayer dollars shouldn't be

2209
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,560
wasted on this now maybe years later

2210
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:38,480
condon later said we could come back and

2211
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:40,639
we could revisit this this subject maybe

2212
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,600
when we're better equipped

2213
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,600
technologically and scientifically but

2214
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,760
right now we don't see any benefit

2215
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,520
it's no coincidence in my mind that the

2216
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:49,360
next year i mean anybody can see what

2217
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:50,639
happened there the following year the

2218
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,199
air force closed project blue book

2219
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,199
and they had officially their official

2220
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,679
stance remained for decades the you know

2221
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,000
we studied we carried out the longest

2222
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,320
systematic study by a military body of

2223
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,320
the uap they called it ufos but you know

2224
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:05,920
that that subject

2225
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:07,760
we don't study that anymore now here's

2226
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:09,120
the catch and this is where things get

2227
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,480
really interesting though

2228
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,639
as recently as maybe 2015 there was

2229
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,400
there was still a fact page that i found

2230
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:16,239
archived on the department of defense

2231
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:19,520
website which had a actual

2232
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,080
uh statement on ufos and it said as you

2233
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,080
may know it actually says this in the in

2234
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:26,320
the in the fact page as you may know

2235
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,120
uh

2236
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:29,440
the department of defense or dod rather

2237
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,239
never studies this any longer as of the

2238
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:34,400
closure of project blue book in 1969 the

2239
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:36,000
military is out of the ufo investigative

2240
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,960
game

2241
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,800
what's of course paradoxical about that

2242
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,120
is that in 2015 we know that there had

2243
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,600
been prior to that even uh the all-sap

2244
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:45,280
program that james lucaski ran out of

2245
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,480
the dia which is a combat support agency

2246
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:50,800
uh to the department of defense but then

2247
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,520
we also have the uh atip informal

2248
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,280
initiative as they say which louisando

2249
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,800
was a part of all that was going on

2250
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:58,880
while the dod on its website said as you

2251
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,679
know

2252
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:01,280
we don't look at this issue anymore

2253
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,120
right and that all goes back to the end

2254
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,760
of project blue book but again in in my

2255
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,840
perspective it wasn't a matter of people

2256
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:09,199
just quit going to the air force the air

2257
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,800
force had been looking for an out and

2258
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,400
they were more than willing to accept it

2259
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:14,320
when the condon committee said our

2260
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:16,080
advice to the federal government stop

2261
01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:17,360
looking at this

2262
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,080
and it and and again and back to your

2263
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,159
point and chris mellon's point

2264
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:24,880
it's an absolute impossibility

2265
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:28,480
that air force pilots have not witnessed

2266
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,360
uh uaps and ufos in the skies and filed

2267
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:33,199
reports and they've collected data in

2268
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,639
addition to

2269
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,120
all of the super advanced radar

2270
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:39,440
installations that they've got watching

2271
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,679
the skies that they

2272
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:43,760
they have no interest in ufos or that

2273
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:46,000
they don't know what's going on and they

2274
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:48,719
don't have information to share not only

2275
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,880
with the task force but with the senate

2276
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:52,639
intelligence committee

2277
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,159
right absolutely well you know and

2278
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,840
here's the thing i mean if we go back in

2279
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:57,440
history again there is documented

2280
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,960
evidence that supports the idea that

2281
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:01,199
even after blue book there continued to

2282
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,880
be uh

2283
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:05,280
methods and procedures by which

2284
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:08,080
ufo reports could be gathered and could

2285
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:09,600
be processed if indeed they were deemed

2286
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,440
to be something that was of significant

2287
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,880
enough national security interest you

2288
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,320
remember stanton friedman talking about

2289
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:17,040
of course the famous uh service merint

2290
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:18,320
communications instructions for

2291
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:20,560
reporting vital intelligence sightings i

2292
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:21,600
actually happen to have a copy of the

2293
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,199
document right here in front of me and

2294
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:25,760
it says one service merint instructions

2295
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:27,280
lay down procedures for reporting

2296
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,560
information on vital intelligence

2297
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,120
sightings for hostile or unidentified

2298
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:32,960
aircraft missiles

2299
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:35,679
unidentified flying objects hostile or

2300
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,840
unidentified submarines surface vessels

2301
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:39,120
etc

2302
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:40,719
and it goes on but i mean the point is

2303
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:42,800
is that they had said i mean

2304
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,040
this this of course presumably remained

2305
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,440
in effect probably for decades after

2306
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,120
project blue book there certainly was

2307
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:51,360
still a official

2308
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,600
template for if you see something you

2309
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,679
can't explain or something that is a

2310
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:57,600
vital intelligence significance you

2311
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:59,040
should report it here's who to report it

2312
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,120
to and how to report it and they spell

2313
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:02,880
it out they list unidentified flying

2314
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:04,239
objects so

2315
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:05,600
i mean to say that they didn't continue

2316
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,960
to collect information i mean come on

2317
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,480
guys it's right there in your documents

2318
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:10,719
sure you did let's take our break right

2319
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:13,440
here our guest tonight micah hanks

2320
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,760
we're discussing chris mellon's new

2321
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:18,000
article over at the debrief why is the

2322
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,440
air force a wall on the uap issue we'll

2323
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:23,520
be discussing this all night tonight in

2324
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:25,679
depth i'm your host jimmy church this is

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2404
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,070
welcome back fade to black i am your

2405
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:07,920
host jimmy church micah hanks is with us

2406
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:10,239
tonight in depth discussion

2407
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,880
on the recent chris mellon article over

2408
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:14,719
at the debrief it is called why is the

2409
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:18,320
air force a wall on the uap issue

2410
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:21,119
but before we get back to the article uh

2411
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:23,119
micah this is

2412
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:26,960
a yes or no question

2413
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:29,920
no explanation needed just yes

2414
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:33,520
or no i'll do my best okay it's binary

2415
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:36,320
it's one or zero it's yes or no

2416
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:37,199
okay

2417
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,040
you and three friends are out fishing

2418
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,760
all guy friends you guys are out fishing

2419
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,679
check into a hotel that night they got

2420
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,400
one room left two double beds

2421
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,480
do you sleep

2422
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:50,239
and share a bed with one of your guy

2423
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,109
you know i i can't do the binary answer

2424
01:38:03,350 --> 01:37:58,239
on that no because you got to remember

2425
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,360
uh not only is this question no entirely

2426
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,320
it's relevant to the ufo issue but also

2427
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:08,639
if you saw the 1988 batman with michael

2428
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,239
keaton in the scene where she wakes up

2429
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,000
and he's sleeping upside down that's how

2430
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,920
i sleep i hang upside down okay so

2431
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,080
everybody knows that okay okay so that's

2432
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:18,800
your answer the answer is no you you

2433
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,239
don't have to

2434
01:38:22,750 --> 01:38:22,320
i sleep like a bat so yeah making that

2435
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:22,760
what you want

2436
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:25,600
[Laughter]

2437
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,760
i had a bunker before you did buddy

2438
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:29,440
let me tell you something you need to

2439
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:31,920
run for office

2440
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,480
to you got the correct political answer

2441
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:38,080
you're quick on your feet

2442
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:39,119
all right

2443
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:40,639
now um

2444
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:43,679
uh i want to get to this quote uh that

2445
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,639
that chris uh presented uh in this

2446
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,000
article

2447
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:50,320
and continuing the discussion

2448
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:51,840
he says

2449
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,239
last summer i met with a number of dod

2450
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:56,159
inspector general officials concerning

2451
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:57,920
the inquiry into the manner in which the

2452
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:01,040
dod has handled the uap issue when i

2453
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,800
mentioned the fact that i had heard that

2454
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:04,800
the members of the uap task force were

2455
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,280
having trouble obtaining cooperation

2456
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:08,880
from the air force

2457
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:12,960
one of the ic officials told me quote

2458
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:15,520
the air force is always that way for

2459
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:18,159
some reason in my experience they are

2460
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,199
not only the least cooperative but also

2461
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:23,679
the least competent

2462
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,840
program managers end quote

2463
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:29,760
well yeah it's a rather inflammatory

2464
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:30,719
statement

2465
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:31,520
um

2466
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,000
again i can't speak to that point myself

2467
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,920
right i would like to think that there's

2468
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:37,360
a certain

2469
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:39,679
efficacy even eloquence to the inner

2470
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,119
workings of all the different military

2471
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,920
branches and that they're very capable

2472
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:46,000
further that they are also

2473
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,080
more concerned about uh you know threats

2474
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:50,400
for instance from china from russia

2475
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,000
and things like this

2476
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:53,760
which they would deem to be quote

2477
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,119
unquote real threats now again i

2478
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,960
disagree on that point but i'll

2479
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:59,040
illustrate it further by referencing a

2480
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,639
quote i got from a former air force

2481
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:02,239
official myself

2482
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,840
uh there was an article i did right

2483
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:05,280
before

2484
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,119
the ndaa

2485
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:09,040
actually passed the senate and the

2486
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:10,880
gillibrand amendment had been included

2487
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,840
so back in december okay yeah this is a

2488
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,520
might have been

2489
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:17,520
late november but probably uh december

2490
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:18,239
and

2491
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:21,440
you know i i quoted uh

2492
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:22,800
uh

2493
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:27,280
his name i was thinking brett weinstein

2494
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,560
but that's a different weinstein that's

2495
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,320
a whole nother weinstein but that would

2496
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:32,480
be a good quote too though it would be

2497
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,679
very interesting yeah he won't respond

2498
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:35,440
to my emails but yeah jack weinstein

2499
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,880
certainly did and he's a professor now

2500
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,639
at boston university but i think he was

2501
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:40,239
a former lieutenant colonel i believe

2502
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,679
was his rank

2503
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,760
and uh you know he now teaches you know

2504
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,679
policy and and what have you and

2505
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:47,280
everything drawing from his background

2506
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,400
and experience with the the force but he

2507
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,920
essentially said look there are so many

2508
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,080
more important issues that the air force

2509
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:56,000
should be looking at right now

2510
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:56,800
uh

2511
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:59,199
and uap i'm sorry is not one of them no

2512
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,920
matter how important certain senators

2513
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,440
think that this is

2514
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,840
you know and he runs down a list of a

2515
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,600
number of the and they were also very

2516
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,280
important objectives with the national

2517
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,760
defense uh authorization act

2518
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,679
that passed earlier this year you know

2519
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:15,360
they were included they did pass and he

2520
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:16,800
said these kinds of things are the

2521
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,360
direct threats to national security by

2522
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,920
virtue of threatening the operation and

2523
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:24,000
functionality of the air force those

2524
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:25,520
should be the focus

2525
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:28,800
of you know any group any military the

2526
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,719
dod in some total not just you know the

2527
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,639
issue over uap

2528
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:36,239
and he's and he basically kind of ended

2529
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,679
by saying let's focus on the real

2530
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:40,320
problems uh and not create problems

2531
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,159
where probably none exist

2532
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,760
a lot of people

2533
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:45,199
pointed out that

2534
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,560
quote uh it was it was re-quoted on on

2535
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:50,639
twitter and again as a journalist what

2536
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,679
you want to do is you want to get

2537
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:53,520
differing perspectives and i liked the

2538
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:55,520
fact that you know weinstein hadn't just

2539
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,040
been all in

2540
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,880
necessarily on oh yes you know the

2541
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,800
gillibrand amendment will be great i

2542
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,639
liked that he provided an opposing

2543
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,719
perspective the problem was everybody

2544
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:06,480
grabbed that quote they were like you've

2545
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,520
done a service a public service mr hanks

2546
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,280
by showing

2547
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,440
this establishment attitude that still

2548
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,199
persists and prevails and i'm thinking

2549
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,880
i'm not so sure that that's what jack

2550
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:18,159
was trying to do when he gave me that

2551
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,040
quote

2552
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:21,119
but in the broader context of what chris

2553
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,960
mellon was talking about the efficacy of

2554
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,639
the air force and how this you know has

2555
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:26,719
been challenged by some who he's spoken

2556
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:27,520
to

2557
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,679
know personally but i do know that they

2558
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:33,520
in terms of how they handle the uap

2559
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:35,199
issue probably many of them still

2560
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,760
operate on that same sort of stigmatized

2561
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:41,440
attitude that jack and others have

2562
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:42,800
expressed

2563
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:45,520
look guys we we ended investigations in

2564
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:48,880
69 because we didn't see anything there

2565
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:50,320
because there wasn't enough of anything

2566
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,040
even when we did see actual unknowns and

2567
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,360
therefore let's look at the real issues

2568
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,520
now the problem there is pretty obvious

2569
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:59,040
if you understand the history of this

2570
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:00,159
subject

2571
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,920
it's not that the air force didn't find

2572
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,960
anything

2573
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:04,639
the air force project blue book's own

2574
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:06,639
conclusions were simply this look at no

2575
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,920
point have we seen that the ufos or uap

2576
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,520
as they would be called today

2577
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:13,199
represented a direct threat to national

2578
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,400
security

2579
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,239
at no point did we observe anything that

2580
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:19,199
they said in their official statement

2581
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:20,480
that we

2582
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:22,960
could identify as an advanced technology

2583
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,639
that exceeded

2584
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:26,639
modern science or physics

2585
01:43:30,750 --> 01:43:28,800
and finally there was nothing that we

2586
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,760
ever saw that was indicative of

2587
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,880
extraterrestrial phenomena

2588
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,400
nothing that we saw that we could

2589
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,800
explicitly equate to being et visiting

2590
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:38,719
earth those were project blue books

2591
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,119
findings they did not say there's

2592
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,280
nothing worth studying they did not say

2593
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,880
we didn't see things that we couldn't

2594
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:46,159
identify

2595
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,520
they said in fact there were hundreds of

2596
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:49,040
reports that remained unidentified but

2597
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:50,560
again you've got diligent researchers

2598
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,000
like brad sparks and others who have

2599
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,920
continued to go back over the logs and

2600
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,760
you look at the actual quote-unquote

2601
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,440
explanations that were offered for some

2602
01:44:01,750 --> 01:44:00,000
of those identified ufo cases they were

2603
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:01,760
anything but identified

2604
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,400
in fact there were probably as many as

2605
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,880
possibly thousands of reports that were

2606
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:08,400
not identified

2607
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:10,000
from the blue book cata

2608
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,400
catalog but that were identified by the

2609
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,960
air force as identified for lack of any

2610
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,560
better conclusions

2611
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,119
you know they gave a conclusion or an

2612
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,199
identification marker when in fact no

2613
01:44:25,109 --> 01:44:23,440
conclusion was ever actually made so

2614
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,119
that's the reality of project blue book

2615
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:26,880
and yet you know i still see people tout

2616
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,840
this as come on guys you believers it's

2617
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:31,520
not good enough for you that the air

2618
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:33,119
force said they never found anything

2619
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:34,880
that the condom committee said there's

2620
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,960
nothing worth studying well if again go

2621
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,239
back and reread what they said they

2622
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,480
never said that they did find unknowns

2623
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,719
and the condom committee even said maybe

2624
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,159
this should be studied in the future but

2625
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:46,239
again the problem is that guys

2626
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:47,920
here we are a couple of decades into the

2627
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,400
21st century and the air force is still

2628
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,880
touting that old line so again i think

2629
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,320
you know as a branch of the military

2630
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,159
they're probably folk you know focusing

2631
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:58,960
on their main mission priorities and

2632
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:00,560
doing a fine job

2633
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:03,920
but this as the odni report stated last

2634
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,560
june is a challenge to national security

2635
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:08,159
and more significantly with relevance to

2636
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,040
the air force side of this it is also a

2637
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,280
potential threat to aviators both

2638
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:15,199
civilian and military that should be

2639
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,639
something the air force should be paying

2640
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:18,400
attention to well and there's been a

2641
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,360
complete flip-flop from that point of

2642
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,440
view to where we are today

2643
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:25,679
in that everybody is concerned with the

2644
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:28,239
scientific aspect of it trying to figure

2645
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:30,719
out what is going on applying science

2646
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:33,679
applying study and and certainly a

2647
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,800
concern of something going on that there

2648
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,360
may be a threat and there is something

2649
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:41,760
to be concerned of completely the

2650
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:45,520
opposite of uh the conclusions in 1969.

2651
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,440
here take a screen grab

2652
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:49,199
there it is right there take a screen

2653
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,320
grab look really close there it is

2654
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:54,480
that's what you want right there

2655
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:56,320
i i couldn't actually make out what it

2656
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,760
was but ladies and gentlemen at home he

2657
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:59,280
was showing me his smart what appeared

2658
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:01,119
to be a smartphone

2659
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,639
there appeared to be letters on it but i

2660
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:04,560
couldn't make out the letters that's

2661
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:07,119
good that you didn't um and and here's

2662
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,470
apparently only navy pilots

2663
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:16,400
carry cell phones

2664
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:19,360
right only navy pilots are shooting

2665
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,239
stuff outside of the canopy only navy

2666
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:24,320
pilots are seeing these anomalies in the

2667
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:26,960
sky only navy pilots

2668
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:29,760
uh are willing to talk about this only

2669
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:32,719
navy pilots have technology only navy

2670
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:34,719
pilots have the internet only navy

2671
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:38,880
pilots know what a freaking video is

2672
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:41,520
and and then this is pointed out uh this

2673
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:44,239
is number five uh by chris i think it's

2674
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:45,679
extraordinary

2675
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,639
he says questions that need to be asked

2676
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,679
he said

2677
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:51,440
congress and the public should be

2678
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:54,159
shocked that in the digital age when our

2679
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:57,520
smartphones can answer most questions in

2680
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:00,480
seconds the deputy secretary of defense

2681
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,639
the dni and congress cannot get a

2682
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,040
straight answers about uap

2683
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:07,440
from the air force many months after

2684
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:10,800
establishing a task force solely for

2685
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,480
that purpose

2686
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,320
and that goes right back to my point

2687
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,800
only navy pilots carry

2688
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:18,320
an iphone

2689
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:19,280
well

2690
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,639
or let's look at this a little

2691
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:22,320
differently here's a really important

2692
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:23,520
question

2693
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:25,040
is it that they are the only ones that

2694
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:27,840
carry the iphones or is it that

2695
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,639
only navy pilots leak their photos that

2696
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:32,639
they take of uap or that only navy

2697
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:35,119
personnel leak videos obtained by navy

2698
01:47:39,669 --> 01:47:37,840
personnel the real question to me is

2699
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,679
with the abundance of information that's

2700
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,920
being collected by navy personnel do we

2701
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:43,520
really expect that nobody in the air

2702
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:45,520
force has done the same so my question

2703
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,320
is

2704
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,400
why have we had no leaks

2705
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,320
why have we had no leaked information

2706
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:51,840
like what we've seen comparable to what

2707
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:53,600
we've seen from the navy coming from the

2708
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,600
air force now that begs a few

2709
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:57,520
interesting questions

2710
01:48:02,709 --> 01:48:00,560
does the air force control does it have

2711
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,719
a system of managing

2712
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:04,239
their

2713
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:05,520
yes

2714
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,760
both their personnel and the information

2715
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,119
that they may be collecting is that

2716
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:11,040
managed differently more strictly

2717
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:12,719
perhaps by the air force than it is by

2718
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,760
the navy

2719
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:16,080
and therein lies another issue i mean

2720
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:19,520
that in itself a restrictive culture

2721
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,000
of you know and policy within a military

2722
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,679
branch and i'm only speculating frankly

2723
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:26,080
but again if that is in existence such

2724
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:28,000
that we aren't able to see the kind of

2725
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:29,520
data that their personnel may be

2726
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:30,560
collecting but which we've seen

2727
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,920
abundance of from the navy that in

2728
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,320
itself is a problem it goes right back

2729
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:36,480
to the stiff arm

2730
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,600
exactly uh you know and and going back

2731
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:41,440
in fact let's go even further back here

2732
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,880
because as i mentioned i wanted when we

2733
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:44,960
had time we weren't coming up on a break

2734
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:47,360
to go back and and look uh in a little

2735
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:48,800
finer detail at what was happening in

2736
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,199
the 1960s you know and and what really

2737
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,520
kind of led to in my opinion

2738
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,760
not the air force getting out of the ufo

2739
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,199
game and then people leaving them alone

2740
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,600
no their intent all along i believe was

2741
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:01,520
they wanted to be left alone

2742
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:03,679
you know when you have

2743
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:05,760
multiple different studies you know we

2744
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,679
go all the way back to the late 1940s

2745
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:09,280
project sign

2746
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:11,760
and and again this storied event that

2747
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,920
occurred that ufologists to this day

2748
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:16,159
including myself still talk about

2749
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:18,320
there was purportedly an estimate that

2750
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,679
was produced this estimate of the

2751
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,360
situation

2752
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,520
and it seemed to i mean it wasn't saying

2753
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:25,280
ufos whatever these things well they

2754
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,800
weren't called ufos yet at that point

2755
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,800
really the popular colloquial i guess

2756
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,040
term was flying saucer and that had been

2757
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:32,960
derived primarily from the press

2758
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:35,440
reporting on kenneth arnold's siding

2759
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:37,360
from the summer of 47.

2760
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:39,199
sign you know they're looking at this

2761
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:40,639
and they're saying we're trying to

2762
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,800
assess all the different things

2763
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:45,119
this phenomenon might represent

2764
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:46,480
we don't know of any kind of soviet

2765
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:48,239
technology we don't know any of any kind

2766
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:50,320
of you know captured german technology

2767
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:52,000
we have no intelligence that indicates

2768
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:53,520
that this is a u.s technology and that

2769
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,000
these are our own experimental craft

2770
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,480
therefore the only other possibilities

2771
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,080
and they probably ran down the list as

2772
01:50:03,589 --> 01:50:02,080
many would today there maybe are some

2773
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,599
natural phenomena that are a little

2774
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:05,040
understood with our current

2775
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:07,119
understanding in terms of science and in

2776
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:08,239
the universe

2777
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,760
but then again of course in the

2778
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:11,440
instances where some of these things

2779
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,480
notably

2780
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:14,159
that so-called childs and witted

2781
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,840
encounter this was a famous encounter

2782
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:17,840
where it was i believe a dc-10 was

2783
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:19,599
flying along over

2784
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:22,320
probably roughly montgomery alabama they

2785
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,679
observe what looks like a great big

2786
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,199
rocket ship

2787
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:27,440
fly out of a cloud pass in front of them

2788
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:29,599
go into another uh cloud

2789
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:32,239
this thing has got rows of windows

2790
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:34,000
portholes down the side

2791
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,520
they were very startled by it and in

2792
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:36,800
fact although most of the passengers

2793
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,080
would have been asleep at this time it

2794
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,840
was in the early morning one of them did

2795
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:41,520
see a flash of light

2796
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:42,960
and so they certainly were aware

2797
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:45,199
something was outside the window

2798
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:47,199
there was also ground corroboration from

2799
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,639
another witness that was actually based

2800
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,080
on the ground and this had been very

2801
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,239
instrumental in those early assessments

2802
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:53,760
the estimate of the situation said

2803
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,480
essentially based on sightings like that

2804
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,560
we don't rule out the possibility that

2805
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:00,960
these things might be extraterrestrial

2806
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:02,800
and of course top brass hated that they

2807
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,560
said you know leadership in the air

2808
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,480
force said no no we're not going to

2809
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:08,480
accept that and in fact they ordered all

2810
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,360
copies of this estimate to be destroyed

2811
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:14,159
and therefore sign was followed its

2812
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:16,000
successor was grudge and grudge took a

2813
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,520
much more decidedly negative attitude

2814
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,599
toward the study of uap

2815
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:23,280
probably thinking and we're going to be

2816
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,800
able to you know put the nail in the

2817
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:26,239
coffin on this so to speak but when that

2818
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:29,520
didn't happen that transmogrifies into

2819
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,400
uh project blue book by 1952

2820
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,480
and it runs for nearly two decades now

2821
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:36,480
you got to take into consideration by

2822
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,199
the time let's say 1958 rolls around the

2823
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,520
air force had already been in the ufo

2824
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:43,040
game for a decade

2825
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:44,480
how much did they have what did they

2826
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:46,080
really have to show for it they didn't

2827
01:51:49,709 --> 01:51:49,040
have hardly anything and so

2828
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:49,719
by

2829
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,719
1958 you know the air force was already

2830
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:54,320
and i think we can offer some evidence

2831
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:55,760
i've actually supplied you with an audio

2832
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,960
sound butt that i'd like to reference

2833
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,080
here

2834
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,239
they were actively trying to convey to

2835
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:02,880
the public look when we investigate ufos

2836
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,880
we always take into consideration the

2837
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:07,119
possibility that there are unknowns

2838
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,560
but essentially we want you to know that

2839
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:10,960
nine times out of ten we can identify

2840
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:13,440
these things great example january 20th

2841
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:16,159
1958 the armstrong circle theaters ufo

2842
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:19,199
enigma of the skies airs on television

2843
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:20,960
among the guests uh had been major

2844
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:23,440
donald e kehoe he'd been actually the

2845
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:25,920
the director of the nycap organization

2846
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,280
at the time national investigations

2847
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,440
committee on aerial phenomena

2848
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:31,679
we also had harvard astronomer dr donald

2849
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:34,000
menzel a noted skeptic

2850
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,480
and colonel spencer whedon

2851
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:38,639
uh giving the u.s air force's position

2852
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:41,119
on unidentified flying objects now to

2853
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:42,400
his credit

2854
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,080
whedon

2855
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:46,320
was open to the possibility and said so

2856
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:47,360
at the end that you know yeah the air

2857
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:49,040
force does from time to time detect

2858
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:50,480
unknowns

2859
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,480
anything

2860
01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:56,480
exotic or extraordinary

2861
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:58,159
they are simply more conventional

2862
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,920
phenomena that we didn't have enough

2863
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,360
information

2864
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:03,280
to make determinations about we are

2865
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:05,199
convinced that we could explain all the

2866
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,960
ufo reports if we had enough data but in

2867
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:08,800
some cases we simply don't so the public

2868
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,960
needs to understand the unidentified

2869
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:12,639
flying objects are merely that

2870
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:14,560
unidentified but with more data we'd be

2871
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,080
able to explain them all

2872
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:18,400
so that was the air force opinion the

2873
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:20,239
problem with this show and again a lot

2874
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,599
of people have written about this anyone

2875
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,280
who's never read the first installment

2876
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:25,679
of dolan's ufos in the national security

2877
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,480
state

2878
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,119
dolan goes in depth about this in his

2879
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:31,199
book and some of the politics that had

2880
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:32,800
been going on behind the airing of this

2881
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:35,119
program in 1958

2882
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,440
the participants had had to submit in

2883
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:39,119
advance

2884
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:40,880
their scripts it was very highly

2885
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,560
scripted when you listen to it you can

2886
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:44,400
hear it was very highly scripted whedon

2887
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:47,760
is you know talking like this and well

2888
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:50,320
when we investigate ufos i mean it's

2889
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,280
it's really like just i mean it's

2890
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:55,599
it's theater it's theater it's about to

2891
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,840
say it's so beyond theatrical that it's

2892
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:59,760
just laughable but yeah theater is the

2893
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:01,599
word that came to mind for me too

2894
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:02,880
now

2895
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:05,840
well let me let me jump in uh

2896
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,440
they rehearsed this yes they did they

2897
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:11,760
had all of the

2898
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:13,040
uh

2899
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:17,119
i'm gonna use the word sensor sensorist

2900
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:18,239
right so

2901
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:21,199
everything was closely monitored um it

2902
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:23,920
was rehearsed the scripts were there

2903
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:27,199
things were prepared and and that was it

2904
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,760
there was no going off script unless

2905
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:34,000
your name is donald kehoe

2906
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:37,280
oh well yes now let me also add this

2907
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:39,599
although kehoe was allowed to submit his

2908
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:40,639
script

2909
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,639
they would also say well you know but in

2910
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,159
the interest of time donald we got to

2911
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:46,080
take out this so we got to take out this

2912
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:47,360
and then we're eliminating a lot of the

2913
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:48,639
good stuff and saying we don't we don't

2914
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,239
have time for this and so what did kehoe

2915
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:52,320
do he didn't revolt he said look you

2916
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:53,280
know

2917
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:55,119
six to one half a dozen another i don't

2918
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,719
go on the show and i get no publicity

2919
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:58,639
for an icap and raising awareness about

2920
01:55:02,149 --> 01:55:00,239
our calls i do go on the show and i

2921
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,159
stick with the approved version of the

2922
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:04,400
script that they have butchered

2923
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,560
and i have an opportunity

2924
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:08,320
but yeah he went a little further so

2925
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,320
kehoe goes on the air that night

2926
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:12,400
whedon has already spent you know 10

2927
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:14,159
minutes talking about how the air force

2928
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,000
can basically identify almost everything

2929
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:18,480
as a balloon or a bull light or whatever

2930
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,400
keo comes on he sticks to the script and

2931
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,639
in the final segment in the final

2932
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:25,119
seconds of that segment he says and now

2933
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,480
i'm going to tell the american public

2934
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:28,639
something you've never heard we have

2935
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:31,520
that audio i want you to play this audio

2936
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:34,719
yeah i've got it here it's 45 seconds

2937
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:36,080
everybody

2938
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:39,760
and uh uh we'll talk more after it but

2939
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:41,920
that's a pretty good setup let's go

2940
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:45,520
ahead and roll this here it goes

2941
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:47,280
and now mr edwards i would like to make

2942
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:48,719
a disclosure

2943
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:50,159
which something which has never been

2944
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,840
revealed to the public

2945
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,760
for the last six months our committee

2946
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:56,000
has been working with a senate committee

2947
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,480
which is investigating official secrecy

2948
01:56:02,950 --> 01:56:00,400
on ufos

2949
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:02,960
if the hearings are held open hearings i

2950
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:05,119
feel it will prove beyond doubt that the

2951
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:12,390
in order

2952
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:15,430
that's it all

2953
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:21,430
thank you major kehoe one of the most

2954
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:23,280
eminent men of science who has taken the

2955
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:24,400
decision

2956
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:26,560
that that's what happens

2957
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:30,000
and uh now here's the thing this was a

2958
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:31,119
live

2959
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:32,719
broadcast

2960
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:36,239
and uh the guy for cbs his name was

2961
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:43,510
oh man i had it at that i herbert cyborg

2962
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,679
or something so herbert

2963
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:46,960
he uh

2964
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:51,360
uh on the next night kehoe was on uh the

2965
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:53,040
long john neville show

2966
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:56,960
and comes on in and and and speaks

2967
01:57:02,629 --> 01:56:59,199
and what uh

2968
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:02,639
uh what happens there is they they name

2969
01:57:09,589 --> 01:57:06,639
carl by uh by name they call him out

2970
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:09,599
and uh long john neville says

2971
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:11,599
that it's a

2972
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:14,880
a 40-second fade that he does and he

2973
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:18,159
slowly pulls it down they made a point

2974
01:57:22,709 --> 01:57:18,960
to

2975
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:22,719
uh bring out everything the way that cbs

2976
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:25,199
approached this and effectively

2977
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,920
censored kehoe and enrolled credits on

2978
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,760
the screen yeah indeed what you're

2979
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:31,520
hearing again for everybody at home and

2980
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:32,960
i want to point out that it seems like

2981
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:34,800
it was probably edited to bring in

2982
01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:36,880
menzel a little quick more quickly after

2983
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:38,800
that for the audio version that we heard

2984
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:40,880
and again the entire program can be

2985
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:43,679
heard via the faded discs catalog

2986
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:45,920
available on archive.org wendy connors

2987
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:48,639
did incredible archival work providing

2988
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:51,440
basically a history of ufology and audio

2989
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:53,119
and that's one of the files but yeah

2990
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:54,960
what you heard was

2991
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:57,119
kiho being potted down they dropped his

2992
01:58:01,350 --> 01:57:59,280
microphone when he went off the script

2993
01:58:02,950 --> 01:58:01,360
now what's he talking about when they

2994
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:02,960
mute his microphone effectively there

2995
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:05,520
was still like an off set microphone

2996
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:06,800
there that you could still hear a little

2997
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:08,400
of what he was talking and he was still

2998
01:58:12,310 --> 01:58:10,560
on camera they brought his microphone

2999
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:12,320
down what was he talking about how he

3000
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:13,760
and nycap had been working with the

3001
01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:14,880
senate group

3002
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,719
about the issue of government secrecy in

3003
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:18,639
relation to ufos what happens they turn

3004
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:21,040
his mic off big coincidence right we had

3005
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:23,840
a technical issue thank you mr kehoe

3006
01:58:28,229 --> 01:58:26,719
no no this obviously

3007
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:28,239
had been planned

3008
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:29,760
this is entirely what they were trying

3009
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:30,880
to do they were trying to steer the

3010
01:58:35,189 --> 01:58:33,520
narrative everybody had to submit their

3011
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:35,199
you know their their script

3012
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:36,800
but it had to be approved kehoe

3013
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:38,880
submitted his but they butchered it he

3014
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:40,800
went on air anyway and then he went off

3015
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,920
the narrative and what did they do they

3016
01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:43,119
dropped his microphone they'd been

3017
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:44,800
prepared for the possibility that he

3018
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:46,800
would do that and they had taken every

3019
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:48,800
precaution knowing that their

3020
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:50,960
objective essentially was to control the

3021
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:52,800
narrative so what was the narrative what

3022
01:58:56,709 --> 01:58:54,960
was being controlled well if you listen

3023
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:56,719
to that entire program as i pointed out

3024
01:59:00,149 --> 01:58:58,800
based on colonel whedon's appearance it

3025
01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:00,159
was essentially the air force saying

3026
01:59:04,149 --> 01:59:02,400
look we've got a handle on ufos

3027
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:04,159
they can all essentially be explained

3028
01:59:09,189 --> 01:59:07,199
even the ones that we call unidentified

3029
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:09,199
and there are crackpots and crazies who

3030
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:10,800
claim that they've had these experiences

3031
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:12,960
that often muddy the waters and even at

3032
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,560
one point said that those of you who are

3033
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,560
hoaxers that may be against the law

3034
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:18,320
think about how much money is wasted by

3035
01:59:22,870 --> 01:59:20,960
the air force in trying to track down

3036
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:22,880
what ends up almost inevitably being

3037
01:59:26,709 --> 01:59:24,800
hoaxes you know when we have a quote

3038
01:59:28,149 --> 01:59:26,719
unquote good ufo reports these cranks

3039
01:59:30,149 --> 01:59:28,159
and weirdos you know hoaxing these

3040
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:30,159
things that should be against the law

3041
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:31,040
well

3042
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:32,400
yeah they were basically trying to

3043
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:34,719
really control that narrative and when

3044
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:36,080
kehoe stepped out of line yeah they

3045
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:38,480
turned his microphone off now this is uh

3046
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:40,000
we're gonna head to a break here so i've

3047
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:43,280
got 30 seconds so this is what he was

3048
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:45,360
saying here's the quote

3049
01:59:49,669 --> 01:59:48,400
as they pulled uh the fader down which

3050
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:49,679
is quote

3051
01:59:52,950 --> 01:59:50,880
uh

3052
01:59:55,669 --> 01:59:52,960
that the u.s congressional committee was

3053
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:55,679
evaluating evidence that will absolutely

3054
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:58,080
prove that ufos are machines under

3055
02:00:02,709 --> 02:00:00,159
intelligent control

3056
02:00:05,189 --> 02:00:02,719
and then carl his name is karl borg i

3057
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:05,199
said cyborg

3058
02:00:09,750 --> 02:00:06,560
i like silence

3059
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:09,760
cbs director of editing said the next

3060
02:00:15,430 --> 02:00:12,480
day that the program had been carefully

3061
02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:15,440
cleared for security reasons there's no

3062
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:17,520
way that we would let donald kehoe go

3063
02:00:23,350 --> 02:00:20,400
off of script and and there you have it

3064
02:00:26,229 --> 02:00:23,360
and and the long john neville show the

3065
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:26,239
next day the outrage in the ufo

3066
02:00:30,709 --> 02:00:28,239
community that went on with this was a

3067
02:00:33,430 --> 02:00:30,719
big deal this was a live broadcast

3068
02:00:35,589 --> 02:00:33,440
and the time that long john neville and

3069
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:35,599
donald keyhole spent

3070
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:38,639
uh discussing this the next day is also

3071
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:41,280
worth of uh everybody's time let's take

3072
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:43,119
our break right here micah we've got to

3073
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,679
take a break we will circle right back

3074
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:47,280
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

3075
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:49,760
church tonight micah hanks is here we

3076
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are discussing in depth chris malin's

3077
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new article over at the debrief why the

3078
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air force

3079
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is awol on the uap issue we'll be right

3080
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3081
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3130
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3131
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when you're in the house for longer

3132
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periods of time you can see them flying

3133
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or running across the floor

3134
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3135
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they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

3136
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3137
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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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3141
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3145
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3152
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3153
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3155
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3156
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3157
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3159
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3160
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3175
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3176
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3177
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serious

3178
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3179
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to brush

3180
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why fade to black

3181
02:05:47,570 --> 02:05:43,750
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3182
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:47,580
on the game changer radio network

3183
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,560
[Music]

3184
02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:02,480
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3185
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:04,159
jimmy church tonight mike hanks is here

3186
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:05,679
always great

3187
02:06:09,270 --> 02:06:07,920
i don't have to work i just get to sit

3188
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:09,280
here

3189
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:11,840
ask one question kick back for 25

3190
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:13,840
minutes to the break

3191
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:15,760
you know i micah knows how to support

3192
02:06:20,069 --> 02:06:17,920
another host he knows what's going on

3193
02:06:22,069 --> 02:06:20,079
sometimes i need to take a night off

3194
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:22,079
here's the deal

3195
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:22,960
i

3196
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:29,599
kehoe

3197
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:31,520
i keep going back to long john neville

3198
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:33,040
because i thought that was just an

3199
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:35,679
unbelievably great show and and how

3200
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:39,760
pissed off kehoe was and and and i i i

3201
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:41,360
could be wrong here

3202
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:44,480
but i remember kehoe um

3203
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:47,119
neville wanted to blame cbs

3204
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:49,840
right for the censorship and that's what

3205
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:51,280
they were calling it by the way they

3206
02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:52,960
weren't they weren't playing around they

3207
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:55,040
were saying that this was censorship

3208
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,800
and neville's wanting to blame cbs

3209
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:01,280
you know the live broadcast and kehoe

3210
02:07:05,990 --> 02:07:04,159
said no it wasn't cbs man it was the air

3211
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:06,000
force it was the air force that was

3212
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:08,480
doing the censoring it was the air force

3213
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:10,719
that was there live

3214
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:12,880
and uh i think that needs to be brought

3215
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:15,360
out uh that that was uh donald's

3216
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:16,560
position

3217
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:19,599
don't blame cbs blame the air force yeah

3218
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,599
and again looking at this historically

3219
02:07:25,990 --> 02:07:23,360
we can ask

3220
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:26,000
well why did cbs want to control that

3221
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,679
narrative so badly i mean if there

3222
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:29,360
hadn't been and again i don't think

3223
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:31,599
that's an illogical or a conspiratorial

3224
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,440
assertion jimmy

3225
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:35,360
obviously they were

3226
02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:37,520
presenting very carefully so that it

3227
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,199
seemed like they were balanced but i

3228
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,960
mean it's the air force the air force

3229
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:43,199
first with you know colonel whedon

3230
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:44,639
then they bring in kehoe but then they

3231
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:47,360
go to men's alas so it's skeptic

3232
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:49,679
and then it's you know the pro-ufo guy

3233
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:51,840
and then the arch skeptic at the time

3234
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:54,400
which was you know manziel

3235
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:57,199
it seems to me that it was very obvious

3236
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:59,280
what cbs was doing they were presenting

3237
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:00,719
this narrative

3238
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:03,119
was

3239
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:05,520
very much in line with the air forces

3240
02:08:10,229 --> 02:08:07,520
not just positions but the positions

3241
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:10,239
that they wanted the public to see right

3242
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:12,239
and it was a control of information in

3243
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:13,599
certain ways and i think that there are

3244
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,119
a number of reasons why that might have

3245
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:17,440
been the case the obvious one being look

3246
02:08:21,350 --> 02:08:18,960
the air force

3247
02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:21,360
did not want the american people to

3248
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:24,239
believe that they did not have a grip on

3249
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:26,239
this pro you know this problem uh

3250
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:27,440
further

3251
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:30,159
if the if the public believed that they

3252
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:31,679
probably were concerned and in fact you

3253
02:08:36,149 --> 02:08:33,520
know intelligence reports uh you know

3254
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:36,159
later released through the foyer process

3255
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:38,159
detailed the fact that there had been

3256
02:08:43,669 --> 02:08:40,079
legitimate concerns about the 1950s that

3257
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:43,679
the soviets might try to use

3258
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:47,280
americans concern over ufos as a means

3259
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:49,280
of clogging communications channels and

3260
02:08:53,109 --> 02:08:51,280
things like this so again indirect

3261
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:53,119
though that national security threat was

3262
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:55,199
from uap or ufos as they were called

3263
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:57,199
back then i personally still like ufos

3264
02:08:59,109 --> 02:08:58,159
you know

3265
02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:59,119
but

3266
02:09:01,830 --> 02:09:01,119
that had been a concern and they wanted

3267
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:01,840
to

3268
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:04,960
they could

3269
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,360
and so one way of of doing that is

3270
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:09,679
trying to assure the american public

3271
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,079
through a controlled communication

3272
02:09:17,189 --> 02:09:14,880
medium on you know national television

3273
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:17,199
with a pro ufo guy sitting there hey

3274
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:19,599
we've got a handle on this

3275
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:22,000
and again if it's cbs that's controlling

3276
02:09:24,870 --> 02:09:22,800
it

3277
02:09:26,950 --> 02:09:24,880
you know why what are they doing how do

3278
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:26,960
they benefit from being less sensational

3279
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:28,719
from silencing the guy who's making the

3280
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:30,159
extraordinary claims who's going to

3281
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:31,760
shoot their ratings through the roof

3282
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:34,159
that makes no sense so i'm with kehoe on

3283
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:35,760
this one i don't think it was cbs i

3284
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:37,119
definitely think it had been the air

3285
02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:38,639
force and there was a very clear reason

3286
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:41,360
why several in fact that they would have

3287
02:09:44,470 --> 02:09:43,119
wanted to oversee and manage the way

3288
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:44,480
that narrative was presented by the way

3289
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,360
jimmy

3290
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,199
now people in the chat had been saying

3291
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:49,599
why hadn't a lip reader just sat there

3292
02:09:53,109 --> 02:09:51,679
and read what key ho said when the mic

3293
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:53,119
was turned off but you read the quote

3294
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:54,480
before the break do you still have that

3295
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:56,880
and could you read it again uh

3296
02:10:03,589 --> 02:10:00,960
no i don't have it uh hold on let me uh

3297
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:03,599
oh jeez uh

3298
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:05,520
don't worry we can summarize it i have

3299
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:07,920
it i have man come on man

3300
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:09,199
i'm pro

3301
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:12,000
i can do this i can i can get about okay

3302
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:13,360
here's the quote

3303
02:10:18,709 --> 02:10:15,920
uh u.s congressional committee was

3304
02:10:21,189 --> 02:10:18,719
evaluating evidence that will absolutely

3305
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:21,199
prove that ufos are machines under

3306
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:24,320
intelligent control

3307
02:10:27,750 --> 02:10:26,079
yeah so that's what he said when the mic

3308
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:27,760
was turned down let me be clear that's

3309
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:29,520
you know so we do know what was said and

3310
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:30,560
in fact

3311
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:32,079
you can hear parts of it in the audio

3312
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:33,679
there i haven't actually analyzed or

3313
02:10:37,030 --> 02:10:35,280
enhanced that audio myself but i'm

3314
02:10:38,709 --> 02:10:37,040
betting you could you could bring out

3315
02:10:40,550 --> 02:10:38,719
some of that and no doubt people have

3316
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,560
but we know what he said and that's what

3317
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:43,040
was being said uh you know and again i

3318
02:10:45,510 --> 02:10:44,239
think that that's an important point by

3319
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:45,520
the way if we have time toward the end i

3320
02:10:48,149 --> 02:10:46,719
know we're talking about chris mellon's

3321
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:48,159
article i'm also seeing people in the

3322
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:50,079
chat mentioning john keel and i got to

3323
02:10:53,830 --> 02:10:51,920
tell you i'm i'm a huge fan of john keel

3324
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:53,840
even when i didn't agree with her

3325
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:56,159
what chat are you in there's so many

3326
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:57,760
chats which one

3327
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:59,520
i was looking at the one on youtube oh

3328
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:01,280
okay yeah the stream over there on

3329
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:03,040
youtube but again you know

3330
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:05,040
john keel might as well bring this

3331
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:06,800
aspect of his research up too at this

3332
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:08,400
point because while we're talking about

3333
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:09,520
the history

3334
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:11,920
and which to me and this isn't this is

3335
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:13,599
key folks

3336
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:15,599
if you look back to the 1960s and the

3337
02:11:18,229 --> 02:11:16,800
and the kind of actually even earlier

3338
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:18,239
than that as we heard in that audio that

3339
02:11:22,390 --> 02:11:20,079
was 1958

3340
02:11:24,149 --> 02:11:22,400
if you look at the air force's behavior

3341
02:11:26,069 --> 02:11:24,159
and their attempts at trying to control

3342
02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:26,079
the narrative going that far back that's

3343
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:27,840
why we play this audio that's why i

3344
02:11:32,229 --> 02:11:30,480
brought that to the discussion tonight

3345
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:32,239
you need to understand the history of

3346
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:34,239
the air force's activity in relation to

3347
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:35,760
this issue they're trying to get a

3348
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:36,960
handle on it

3349
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:39,280
essentially not being able to

3350
02:11:43,350 --> 02:11:41,360
but trying to present the facade to the

3351
02:11:45,350 --> 02:11:43,360
public that they did when in fact they

3352
02:11:47,510 --> 02:11:45,360
didn't and controlling the narrative and

3353
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:47,520
in fact actually presenting a completely

3354
02:11:51,510 --> 02:11:49,679
scripted narrative in that case on live

3355
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:51,520
television in order to try and convey

3356
02:11:54,870 --> 02:11:53,440
that but the following decade what

3357
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,880
happens you know lonnie zamora is

3358
02:11:57,990 --> 02:11:56,320
driving along

3359
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:58,000
outside of socorro new mexico and he

3360
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:59,599
sees something fly overhead as he's

3361
02:12:02,790 --> 02:12:01,360
chasing a black vehicle

3362
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:02,800
and he says well you know i'm just gonna

3363
02:12:05,750 --> 02:12:04,560
have to let those kids go and go up here

3364
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:05,760
and see what this thing is maybe there's

3365
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:07,440
an aircraft in trouble

3366
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:09,119
you know he goes up there

3367
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,280
and he sees essentially a tic tac on tr

3368
02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:13,679
on a tripod right with two little guys

3369
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:15,199
and silver suits outside the thing he

3370
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:16,320
says that they look like they were kind

3371
02:12:19,350 --> 02:12:17,440
of startled

3372
02:12:20,629 --> 02:12:19,360
when he saw him and they get back on

3373
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:20,639
board the thing and it takes off and

3374
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:22,480
it's roaring like thunder as it flies

3375
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:24,079
overhead and he crouches down and gets

3376
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:25,760
behind his vehicle

3377
02:12:28,709 --> 02:12:27,199
when blue book had to go down there and

3378
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:28,719
investigate that there was a fair amount

3379
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:29,679
of crow

3380
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:31,520
that was served in the pie they had that

3381
02:12:35,750 --> 02:12:34,400
that afternoon for dinner because i mean

3382
02:12:37,030 --> 02:12:35,760
you know i believe it was hector

3383
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:37,040
quintanilla who was the head of project

3384
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:38,560
blue book at the time and he had been

3385
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:41,119
not necessarily um

3386
02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:42,560
a proponent

3387
02:12:45,990 --> 02:12:44,480
of there being a reality to ufos he

3388
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:46,000
seemed to be one of the more dismissive

3389
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:47,599
blue book heads

3390
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:49,199
but he even had to say look you know

3391
02:12:55,189 --> 02:12:52,480
based on the merit of zamora's character

3392
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:55,199
based on you know even certain

3393
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:56,320
there were very few but there were

3394
02:12:59,669 --> 02:12:58,000
certain traces that were left at the

3395
02:13:00,870 --> 02:12:59,679
purported landing site and they they

3396
02:13:02,550 --> 02:13:00,880
said it was clear that we were able to

3397
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,560
establish the location where he said he

3398
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:04,560
saw this thing we could certainly see

3399
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:06,079
his tire tracks where his vehicle had

3400
02:13:09,589 --> 02:13:07,760
gone up the hill adjacent to it and had

3401
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:09,599
actually seen the craft

3402
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:10,639
you know

3403
02:13:14,470 --> 02:13:13,040
zamora as an officer of the law seems

3404
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:14,480
unimpeachable

3405
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:16,400
and this has to be one of the best ufo

3406
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:18,079
sightings on record

3407
02:13:22,550 --> 02:13:20,800
and you know again when they were forced

3408
02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:22,560
to have to essentially say you know we

3409
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:24,639
can't explain this one and we can't say

3410
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:26,719
that lonnie's a crack you know crack

3411
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:30,400
potter or weirdo or a hoaxer some people

3412
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:31,840
did nonetheless try to say after the

3413
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:33,119
fact that he'd been mistaken it was a

3414
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:35,199
candle balloon nothing sophisticated a

3415
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:36,719
bunch of kids at the local college you

3416
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:38,239
know just messing around

3417
02:13:41,910 --> 02:13:40,480
look guys i'm sorry i don't buy that but

3418
02:13:43,830 --> 02:13:41,920
when you are faced with the apparent

3419
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:43,840
reality that there are legitimate things

3420
02:13:47,430 --> 02:13:45,679
and in this case a landing observed by a

3421
02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:47,440
police officer with the occupants

3422
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:49,760
outside this thing whatever it was this

3423
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:52,159
egg-shaped or tic-tac-shaped object

3424
02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:54,400
you know that's a real problem for the

3425
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:56,800
u.s air force well that was the case

3426
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:00,400
that they they spent money on trying to

3427
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:03,840
debunk trying to solve trying to figure

3428
02:14:09,189 --> 02:14:06,719
it out you know uh uh the lunar lander

3429
02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:09,199
you know test aircraft uh

3430
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:12,079
every aspect to it that they could

3431
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:14,320
hopefully explain this away

3432
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:17,679
they couldn't that's the case that that

3433
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:21,920
uh j alan heineck said you know what

3434
02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:24,880
this is the one that might be a ufo this

3435
02:14:29,669 --> 02:14:27,760
might be e.t that's the one case that

3436
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:29,679
they just couldn't whitewash they

3437
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:30,800
couldn't do it

3438
02:14:33,750 --> 02:14:32,159
no they couldn't you're absolutely right

3439
02:14:35,669 --> 02:14:33,760
they couldn't and again you know at that

3440
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:35,679
point the air force began to realize

3441
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:36,719
they're like we're never going to get

3442
02:14:40,629 --> 02:14:38,960
out of the ufo issue you know out of uf

3443
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:40,639
investigation game but now it got even

3444
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:44,560
stranger though because by 1965 1966

3445
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,800
there was a wave of sightings this is

3446
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:48,560
when john keel got into the game and

3447
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:50,719
began doing his own analysis based

3448
02:14:55,589 --> 02:14:52,840
primarily on interviewing witnesses

3449
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:55,599
himself and also collecting

3450
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:57,840
uh he you know subscribed to newspaper

3451
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:59,360
clipping services back in those days

3452
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:01,199
because you didn't have the world wide

3453
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:03,040
web and so he said he would get

3454
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:05,920
sometimes i mean hundreds of clippings

3455
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,719
mailed to him in a single day

3456
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:10,320
that were you know newspaper clippings

3457
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,920
from newspapers all around the country

3458
02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:13,360
reporting ufo sightings and he would

3459
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:14,560
follow up with the editors of those

3460
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:16,480
newspapers he would interview the

3461
02:15:19,669 --> 02:15:18,320
writers who had covered the story he

3462
02:15:21,350 --> 02:15:19,679
would find the witnesses he would talk

3463
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:21,360
with him he would travel anytime he

3464
02:15:25,510 --> 02:15:23,280
could to go to those locations

3465
02:15:27,750 --> 02:15:25,520
and interview them and you know keel did

3466
02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:27,760
some i have to say kiel's early work was

3467
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:29,440
just groundbreaking he was a really

3468
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:30,400
truly

3469
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:33,360
scientifically minded researcher but his

3470
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:35,679
conclusions took him into very strange

3471
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:37,199
areas and again we could talk about that

3472
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:39,360
later the point is keel and people like

3473
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:41,199
that at that point were really hot on

3474
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,400
the trail they thought you know we can

3475
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:43,840
get to the bottom of this if we really

3476
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:45,199
study this thing

3477
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:46,800
this ufo issue because i mean there are

3478
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:49,280
a lot of sightings happening right now

3479
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:50,880
this even garnered the attention of then

3480
02:15:54,790 --> 02:15:52,639
congressman gerald ford and he

3481
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:54,800
criticized alan heineck you know he said

3482
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:56,159
you know i don't like you saying that

3483
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:58,000
our you know the constituents in my

3484
02:16:03,910 --> 02:16:01,199
state are seeing swamp gas mr heineck

3485
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:03,920
and this deserves attention it deserves

3486
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,520
congressional hearings he was calling

3487
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:07,119
for congressional hearings

3488
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:08,880
at this point

3489
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:10,159
things really came to a head in the air

3490
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,920
force realized okay we've got a real

3491
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,599
problem on our hands because we've got

3492
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:15,840
congressmen calling for hearings you

3493
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:17,599
know we've got people all over the place

3494
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:19,440
saying they're seeing these things we

3495
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:20,400
still

3496
02:16:25,589 --> 02:16:23,280
after at this point more than 15 years

3497
02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:25,599
in the ufo investigation business the

3498
02:16:29,669 --> 02:16:28,000
air force still had drawn no conclusions

3499
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:29,679
they were obviously more than ready to

3500
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:31,520
be rid of this problem and so they award

3501
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:32,880
the contract at that point to the

3502
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:34,399
university of colorado which was like

3503
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:36,160
the third or maybe fourth university

3504
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:37,679
that they went to

3505
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:39,359
didn't tell the university of colorado

3506
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,040
they'd gone to other universities before

3507
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,280
that when they finally accepted they get

3508
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:45,359
edward condon on board

3509
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:46,719
and anybody who thinks that that was a

3510
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:48,800
scientific study again i'll just point

3511
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,439
out the fact that even prior to its

3512
02:16:54,870 --> 02:16:53,120
completion

3513
02:16:56,870 --> 02:16:54,880
there had been a revolt that occurred

3514
02:16:59,190 --> 02:16:56,880
within the condon committee some of its

3515
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:59,200
members were dismissed others left

3516
02:17:03,110 --> 02:17:00,880
but this all having to do with this

3517
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:03,120
memorandum that was leaked from one of

3518
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:05,519
the project directors robert lowe he's

3519
02:17:09,910 --> 02:17:08,080
basically second under edward condon and

3520
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:09,920
in this memorandum lo is essentially

3521
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:12,240
saying look you know the trick here

3522
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:14,479
is to convey to other members of the

3523
02:17:19,910 --> 02:17:16,479
scientific community that this is an

3524
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:19,920
entirely objective study but those who

3525
02:17:23,429 --> 02:17:21,760
are in the know who are reading this

3526
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:23,439
scientists in other words

3527
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:24,880
you know they're going to see us as

3528
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,200
being a group of scientists skeptics who

3529
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:29,760
have zero to no expectation of finding a

3530
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,439
valid saucer

3531
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:33,280
and furthermore we're going to emphasize

3532
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,559
not the ufo report and the objects but

3533
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:38,160
we're going to emphasize the

3534
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:41,280
psychological nature of the experience

3535
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:43,920
the the the psychological analysis of

3536
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:44,960
the witnesses we're going to have

3537
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,519
psychologists on our team who will help

3538
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,439
us analyze the witnesses and their

3539
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:51,920
mindset and their mental state

3540
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,080
not so much deciding of the object

3541
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:57,200
itself when this memorandum leaked

3542
02:18:01,509 --> 02:17:59,760
i mean first of all it was when when

3543
02:18:03,030 --> 02:18:01,519
condon found out who had been

3544
02:18:05,509 --> 02:18:03,040
responsible for the leak he called it

3545
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:05,519
treasonous and that person was dismissed

3546
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,960
uh and there was a book written about

3547
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:08,800
this by david saunders called ufos yes

3548
02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:11,760
where the condon committee went wrong

3549
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,840
and it outlines all the problems with

3550
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:15,679
that report i mean you had half your

3551
02:18:18,950 --> 02:18:17,760
members you know leave

3552
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:18,960
halfway through

3553
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,800
so in short form right there toward the

3554
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:24,960
end of the project's completion

3555
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:27,200
new members had to be brought in got up

3556
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:29,599
to speed very quickly and tried to you

3557
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:32,000
know cobble together this report which

3558
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:33,200
had already

3559
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:34,719
been gravely

3560
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:35,760
um

3561
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:38,080
we might say character assassinated but

3562
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:39,519
it wasn't really character assassination

3563
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:42,479
i mean it had been the the public trust

3564
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:44,960
in their ability to conduct a truly

3565
02:18:49,270 --> 02:18:47,280
objective scientific study was entirely

3566
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:49,280
undermined that would be compromised

3567
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:50,800
yeah i was compromised

3568
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:52,960
when this memo came out and again

3569
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,319
they released their report their

3570
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:56,399
conclusions were very expected very

3571
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:58,240
easily anticipated and the air force

3572
02:19:02,629 --> 02:18:59,920
followed suit they got out of ufo

3573
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:02,639
investigations that was the prologue to

3574
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:04,160
everything chris mellon is writing in

3575
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:06,080
this new article and i want to and i

3576
02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:08,319
want to circle back to that and i i do

3577
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:10,319
want to make one point though

3578
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:14,240
um i have always thought

3579
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:16,240
from the beginning

3580
02:19:21,509 --> 02:19:18,559
that colorado

3581
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:21,519
is an air force state

3582
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:23,120
you've got the air force academy

3583
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:24,880
colorado springs

3584
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:27,200
uh you've got norad defense

3585
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:30,240
installations it's an air force state

3586
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:32,080
and you bring in the condom report

3587
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:34,399
university of color the influence

3588
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:36,719
was always there

3589
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:39,200
from the beginning we can say objective

3590
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:40,319
we can say

3591
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:41,439
you know what

3592
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:44,960
when uh when every approach to getting

3593
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:47,760
this report done failed they fall right

3594
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:48,640
to

3595
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:51,120
the state that is under air force

3596
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:52,160
control

3597
02:19:57,990 --> 02:19:55,120
in my opinion and we can't we can't just

3598
02:19:59,830 --> 02:19:58,000
dismiss this as as being part of the

3599
02:20:02,550 --> 02:19:59,840
influence of that and the air force

3600
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,560
wanted this to go in one direction which

3601
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:04,960
brings me back to your point

3602
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:07,200
and and chris mellon believe it or not

3603
02:20:10,950 --> 02:20:08,960
this is all connected

3604
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:10,960
air force wanted air force wanted to

3605
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:13,200
control the narrative then

3606
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:16,160
and they're trying to control it now by

3607
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,160
not being cooperative

3608
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:20,720
right by not they they have said things

3609
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:23,120
they've made motions like they're going

3610
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:24,720
to cooperate that they're going to

3611
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:26,240
establish this and they're going to do

3612
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:28,479
this within six months

3613
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,240
where's where's the evidence that they

3614
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:31,920
have done anything

3615
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:33,280
since uh

3616
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:36,560
uh the dni uh the uap task force report

3617
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:39,439
of august 25th it has there been any

3618
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:41,200
cooperation since

3619
02:20:47,990 --> 02:20:45,200
has was there anything done with the uap

3620
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:48,000
task force report before it was released

3621
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:50,399
and where is that oversight

3622
02:20:55,349 --> 02:20:53,120
is the air force doing anything today or

3623
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:55,359
are they trying to again continue to

3624
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:56,479
control

3625
02:21:02,070 --> 02:20:59,280
the narrative right precisely again you

3626
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,080
know based on chris mellon's uh

3627
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:04,560
dialogue with people in washington and

3628
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,319
whatnot as outlined in the article that

3629
02:21:09,990 --> 02:21:08,399
we published there at the debrief

3630
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:10,000
you know his take and i asked for

3631
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:11,520
clarification on this have you gotten

3632
02:21:15,190 --> 02:21:13,280
any indication that the air force had

3633
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:15,200
been compliant with providing

3634
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:17,200
information to the task force

3635
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:18,880
that does not seem to be conveyed in the

3636
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,040
report although the air force is listed

3637
02:21:24,950 --> 02:21:23,120
among the agencies that the uap task

3638
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,960
force queried for information and that

3639
02:21:28,309 --> 02:21:26,399
it hoped to coordinate with in the

3640
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:28,319
future now

3641
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,520
uh it does state in the report that

3642
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:33,920
the navy about two years ago had

3643
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:36,560
instituted this new formalized

3644
02:21:41,349 --> 02:21:39,359
uh information reporting

3645
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:41,359
mechanism right a new formalized

3646
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,720
mechanism

3647
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:44,080
through which navy personnel could

3648
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:47,359
report uap sightings and they say that

3649
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:49,840
i believe it was in like late 2020 if

3650
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:52,479
memory serves that the air force also

3651
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:55,520
adopted that that has been adopted and

3652
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,359
in fact after we published chris's

3653
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,840
article uh it was very nice of robert

3654
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:01,280
powell of the scientific coalition for

3655
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:02,640
uap studies i'm a member of that

3656
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:04,319
organization but robert is of course one

3657
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:06,160
of our executive directors

3658
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:07,600
he reached out to me with a short

3659
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:08,399
article

3660
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:09,920
kind of in response it wasn't a rebuttal

3661
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:11,439
by any means he's very much aligned i

3662
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:14,000
think with chris's uh positions

3663
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,800
but he wrote back with a response uh

3664
02:22:21,190 --> 02:22:18,880
saying that coincidentally while you

3665
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,200
know chris was immediately preparing to

3666
02:22:24,389 --> 02:22:23,040
to publish this article

3667
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,399
i've been in touch with an air force

3668
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:26,560
serviceman and i was talking with him

3669
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:28,800
about a suspected uap incident that

3670
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:29,840
occurred

3671
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:32,319
involving a warship at sea

3672
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:33,600
we've heard a lot about those over the

3673
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:35,760
last few years and so robert had been

3674
02:22:39,030 --> 02:22:37,439
following up with this gentleman and he

3675
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:39,040
said that he had actually been a part of

3676
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:40,399
a briefing

3677
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:42,640
where he and other service men and women

3678
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:44,479
were brought into the room and they were

3679
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:47,359
briefed briefly on ufos briefly in a

3680
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:48,880
brief imagine that

3681
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:50,800
right i guess it was a debrief but yes

3682
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:52,960
and he said we were literally shown a

3683
02:22:58,230 --> 02:22:55,439
chart with different general shapes

3684
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,240
saucer tic tac you know different things

3685
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:00,800
that ufos might resemble yeah

3686
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:02,880
and and he said we've never experienced

3687
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:04,960
anything like that and so robert

3688
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:07,120
powell's takeaway from this was he said

3689
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:08,640
you know this is hopeful because these

3690
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,240
were air force personnel that received

3691
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:12,319
this briefing now that doesn't surprise

3692
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:13,760
me i'm sure robert probably isn't

3693
02:23:17,110 --> 02:23:15,200
surprised either because again if we

3694
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:17,120
look at the odni report what does it say

3695
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:19,200
it says that you know many months after

3696
02:23:25,429 --> 02:23:22,880
the navy did the air force did finally

3697
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,439
adopt this same reporting mechanism that

3698
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:27,359
the navy does which is supposed to work

3699
02:23:30,790 --> 02:23:28,720
more in the furtherance of collecting

3700
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:30,800
removing the stigmas right you're not

3701
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:32,080
going to be made fun of we aren't going

3702
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:33,680
to be humming the x-files theme if you

3703
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:35,120
guys say you see something we want you

3704
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:36,960
to report it here's how to do it

3705
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:38,319
and it does seem that that is being

3706
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:40,720
reflected based on what powell was told

3707
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:43,680
uh in this dialogue but again i hope

3708
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:45,680
that that's the case more so than what

3709
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:47,439
chris mellon has been told by numerous

3710
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:49,359
service men and women and others that he

3711
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:50,880
has spoken with in washington who seem

3712
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:52,319
to convey to him and i want to be very

3713
02:23:55,510 --> 02:23:53,680
careful not to put words in his mouth

3714
02:23:56,870 --> 02:23:55,520
but you can read what he has actually

3715
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:56,880
says

3716
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:59,280
i can put words in his mouth here he

3717
02:24:03,270 --> 02:24:01,520
says the preliminary assessment report

3718
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:03,280
states that the united states air force

3719
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:05,200
began a six month which you were just

3720
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:06,399
referring to

3721
02:24:11,910 --> 02:24:09,600
pilot program in november of 2020 to

3722
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:11,920
collect in the most likely areas to

3723
02:24:17,510 --> 02:24:13,040
encounter

3724
02:24:19,910 --> 02:24:17,520
uap and is evaluating how to normalize

3725
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:19,920
future collection reporting and analysis

3726
02:24:24,070 --> 02:24:22,479
across the entire air force

3727
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:24,080
and then

3728
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:26,000
he goes on to say

3729
02:24:28,710 --> 02:24:26,880
that

3730
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:28,720
some of the air force's oversight

3731
02:24:35,349 --> 02:24:31,840
committees have been advised that last

3732
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:35,359
year the air force warned its personnel

3733
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:37,920
not to approach the uap task force

3734
02:24:42,150 --> 02:24:40,240
without prior approval that there are

3735
02:24:45,030 --> 02:24:42,160
also reports that individuals

3736
02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:45,040
participating in classified dod chat

3737
02:24:51,030 --> 02:24:47,920
room devoted to uap issues were

3738
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:51,040
subsequently interrogated by u.s air

3739
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:54,560
force osi officers who warned them

3740
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:57,200
against further participation

3741
02:25:03,270 --> 02:25:00,479
uh and that these reports he wants to

3742
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:03,280
know if these reports are accurate why

3743
02:25:07,590 --> 02:25:05,359
has the united states air force been

3744
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:07,600
interfering with these important

3745
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:10,560
information sharing efforts now listen

3746
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,720
again i don't doubt that the air force

3747
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:15,120
is probably briefing its personnel as

3748
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:17,120
robert powell indicated in his uh you

3749
02:25:21,670 --> 02:25:18,880
know response that we published on

3750
02:25:24,790 --> 02:25:21,680
monday i also don't doubt that the air

3751
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:24,800
force is collecting data on uap but what

3752
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:27,920
chris mellon uh conveys in those in

3753
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:29,520
those in that passage in that portion of

3754
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:30,560
the article

3755
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:32,800
seems to be again i would interpret that

3756
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:36,000
as being their attempt at controlling

3757
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:38,800
the way that uap information is gathered

3758
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,160
and disseminated

3759
02:25:44,309 --> 02:25:42,160
you know collected by and then released

3760
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:44,319
from that branch of the military which

3761
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:46,319
again to my earlier point going back to

3762
02:25:51,349 --> 02:25:49,120
1958 we saw similar things playing out

3763
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:51,359
on national television right

3764
02:25:55,190 --> 02:25:53,280
right their control of the way that that

3765
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:55,200
narrative was presented now what's

3766
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:57,359
different between then and now

3767
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:58,560
well then

3768
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:00,479
they were very concerned about

3769
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:03,200
ufo interest held by the public being

3770
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:05,200
exploited by enemy nations like the

3771
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:08,479
soviets and used to our disadvantage

3772
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:09,920
right that could create a national

3773
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:11,600
security threat can we say that the same

3774
02:26:16,710 --> 02:26:14,240
would necessarily be true today i don't

3775
02:26:19,030 --> 02:26:16,720
think so i don't think so in a society

3776
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:19,040
in a world in fact that is so saturated

3777
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:20,880
with information with the world wide web

3778
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:23,120
you know everybody's got access to

3779
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:25,359
everything all the summation of human

3780
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:27,520
knowledge it's at their fingertips and

3781
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:29,600
we carry it around in our pockets on a

3782
02:26:32,469 --> 02:26:31,280
smartphone every day

3783
02:26:34,550 --> 02:26:32,479
and you know

3784
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:34,560
i don't think that the same i mean some

3785
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:36,080
of the same ideas would apply but i

3786
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:37,359
don't think that the

3787
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:39,600
climate culturally politically

3788
02:26:43,110 --> 02:26:41,680
geopolitically is the same as it was in

3789
02:26:44,230 --> 02:26:43,120
1958

3790
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:44,240
we have to take those things into

3791
02:26:48,309 --> 02:26:46,080
consideration and maybe

3792
02:26:50,230 --> 02:26:48,319
some of our officials do too and that

3793
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:50,240
could be part of the reason why we have

3794
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:52,479
seen more information forthcoming but

3795
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:55,359
again as to the idea that many often ask

3796
02:26:59,190 --> 02:26:57,120
of course jimmy and you and i talk about

3797
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:59,200
this others you know write in or call us

3798
02:27:03,670 --> 02:27:01,520
on our shows and ask about this

3799
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:03,680
guys are we seeing government disclosure

3800
02:27:07,670 --> 02:27:05,760
is this the government finally just are

3801
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:07,680
they fed up to or do they recognize the

3802
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:09,520
kind of cultural changes that hanks is

3803
02:27:13,110 --> 02:27:11,520
rambling about and are they saying you

3804
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:13,120
know it's time for us to you know let

3805
02:27:15,510 --> 02:27:14,560
the people know to let them know the

3806
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:15,520
truth

3807
02:27:19,349 --> 02:27:17,359
i don't think it's that at all

3808
02:27:21,110 --> 02:27:19,359
i think what this is is again

3809
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:21,120
as i said at the outset

3810
02:27:26,469 --> 02:27:24,080
people like chris mellon people like

3811
02:27:28,550 --> 02:27:26,479
lou elizondo who have been willing to

3812
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:28,560
come out of government

3813
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:30,640
to raise awareness about this issue but

3814
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:32,160
to make sure that lawmakers take it

3815
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:34,479
seriously and that they get involved

3816
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:36,800
to help them know that their

3817
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:38,560
constituents don't think this is

3818
02:27:42,830 --> 02:27:40,560
nonsense that they take it seriously and

3819
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:42,840
that by virtue of being our elected

3820
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,359
officials who we appoint through the

3821
02:27:49,270 --> 02:27:48,000
electoral process to represent us in

3822
02:27:51,670 --> 02:27:49,280
washington

3823
02:27:53,590 --> 02:27:51,680
that those individuals need to know this

3824
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:53,600
is an important issue for us it's

3825
02:27:57,670 --> 02:27:55,600
therefore important for you and it's

3826
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:57,680
certainly important for our leaders our

3827
02:28:02,230 --> 02:27:59,840
leadership in washington you know that

3828
02:28:03,670 --> 02:28:02,240
is the effort that has been underway for

3829
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:03,680
the last few years and let me tell you

3830
02:28:06,550 --> 02:28:04,560
something

3831
02:28:08,230 --> 02:28:06,560
we've seen headway we've seen a sea

3832
02:28:10,150 --> 02:28:08,240
change perhaps in recent years but that

3833
02:28:12,309 --> 02:28:10,160
effort's been underway for a long time

3834
02:28:14,230 --> 02:28:12,319
we go back to 1961 new york times

3835
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:14,240
quoting roscoe hillenkotter the first d

3836
02:28:17,750 --> 02:28:16,160
as a cia director

3837
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:17,760
he's saying guys we don't have any data

3838
02:28:21,349 --> 02:28:18,960
that these things are soviet

3839
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:21,359
technologies you had your former your

3840
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:24,240
first cia director who joined nycap and

3841
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:26,640
was you know aligned with kehoe

3842
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:30,000
publicly stating the air force

3843
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:32,720
tries to play down the severity of the

3844
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:35,040
ufo issue publicly

3845
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:37,280
but when i talk to personnel behind the

3846
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:38,240
scenes

3847
02:28:42,550 --> 02:28:40,160
they say it's serious business and

3848
02:28:45,270 --> 02:28:42,560
there's grave concern among the military

3849
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:45,280
and among our air force personnel

3850
02:28:48,230 --> 02:28:46,800
behind the scenes but publicly they

3851
02:28:50,710 --> 02:28:48,240
don't convey that

3852
02:28:52,950 --> 02:28:50,720
yet again i mean you had a cia director

3853
02:28:56,309 --> 02:28:52,960
pointing out what he thought was this

3854
02:28:59,910 --> 02:28:56,319
kind of you know this bipolar air force

3855
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,920
you know back in 1961 yes and and how do

3856
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we

3857
02:29:13,349 --> 02:29:08,080
the disclosure of of atip december 17th

3858
02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:13,359
right uh and and and uh we talk about

3859
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:15,359
how extraordinary that was that the

3860
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:18,160
pentagon's got a secret ufo program

3861
02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:21,120
and and what big news that was

3862
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:24,160
and here so we've made this progress

3863
02:29:29,670 --> 02:29:26,160
where the inside of the department of

3864
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:29,680
defense they have a classified

3865
02:29:35,830 --> 02:29:33,040
ufo chat room mica they've got a

3866
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:35,840
classified ufo chat room where branches

3867
02:29:39,910 --> 02:29:37,439
of the military can get together and

3868
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:39,920
talk about this and the air force steps

3869
02:29:43,670 --> 02:29:41,439
in and said

3870
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:43,680
no the air force is not going to

3871
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:45,760
participate in this

3872
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:47,359
if you remember the air force you are

3873
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:49,280
not going to jump into that chat room

3874
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:52,399
and discuss ufos that's as big a news as

3875
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:53,760
is atip

3876
02:29:59,750 --> 02:29:57,359
back in december of 2017

3877
02:30:01,990 --> 02:29:59,760
yeah i would agree now you know

3878
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:02,000
there's a part of me jimmy that i mean i

3879
02:30:07,590 --> 02:30:05,200
i really sympathize with the air force

3880
02:30:10,150 --> 02:30:07,600
um i sympathize more with the personnel

3881
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:10,160
who actually have had experiences i as i

3882
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:13,439
no doubt believe they have but who

3883
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:15,760
as a result of this kind of

3884
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:17,760
you know hierarchical control haven't

3885
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:21,040
been able to address this or engage this

3886
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:22,000
maybe

3887
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:23,040
in in

3888
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:25,439
as they would under other circumstances

3889
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:27,120
you know i can sympathize first and

3890
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:28,880
foremost with them but even more broadly

3891
02:30:34,070 --> 02:30:32,000
extending that to air force leadership

3892
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:34,080
this is look look this is not an easy

3893
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:36,960
problem right i mean they i think robert

3894
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:38,160
powell said this you know look they've

3895
02:30:42,550 --> 02:30:40,640
got their work cut out for them right

3896
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:42,560
this is not an easy problem for science

3897
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:44,080
this is not an easy problem for the

3898
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:46,800
military this isn't a easy problem for

3899
02:30:52,469 --> 02:30:48,720
philosophers

3900
02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:52,479
right we have yet after so many years to

3901
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,319
solve this problem we don't know what

3902
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:56,640
these objects are in the sky

3903
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:57,760
you know we don't know how long they've

3904
02:31:01,190 --> 02:30:59,520
been here and if indeed the accounts

3905
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:01,200
that we see going back to classical

3906
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:03,439
antiquity that we see in you know the

3907
02:31:08,550 --> 02:31:05,760
the uh religious texts of ancient india

3908
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:08,560
or in the you know the christian bible

3909
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:10,560
you know or in any other other number of

3910
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:12,640
different traditional narratives from

3911
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:14,000
around the world we don't know if if

3912
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:15,520
those are indeed representative of the

3913
02:31:19,429 --> 02:31:17,680
same sorts of phenomena that we observe

3914
02:31:21,110 --> 02:31:19,439
in our skies today

3915
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:21,120
i do know this though the od and i said

3916
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:22,960
there appear to be objects

3917
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:24,560
and this is a big takeaway too by the

3918
02:31:27,590 --> 02:31:26,160
way about that anybody who says oh there

3919
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,600
was nothing in that report we didn't

3920
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:29,359
learn anything in that report

3921
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:31,840
to me the most significant takeaway from

3922
02:31:36,790 --> 02:31:33,840
the entire report

3923
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:36,800
was the other category the other bin yep

3924
02:31:40,469 --> 02:31:38,160
if you read

3925
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:40,479
the way that they describe the other

3926
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:43,200
bin they say it very well may be

3927
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:45,280
that after all this airborne clutter

3928
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:47,359
possible foreign espionage all these

3929
02:31:50,070 --> 02:31:49,120
different kinds of things that uap might

3930
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:50,080
be

3931
02:31:55,510 --> 02:31:53,520
phenomena that we just aren't adequate

3932
02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:55,520
adequately equipped yet in terms of our

3933
02:31:59,030 --> 02:31:57,359
scientific knowledge to be able to study

3934
02:32:01,030 --> 02:31:59,040
and it will require further science

3935
02:32:02,389 --> 02:32:01,040
advances and you know in the future for

3936
02:32:03,270 --> 02:32:02,399
us to be able to wrap our heads around

3937
02:32:05,190 --> 02:32:03,280
this

3938
02:32:06,389 --> 02:32:05,200
but the uap task force and then there's

3939
02:32:07,750 --> 02:32:06,399
one sentence at the end of that

3940
02:32:10,469 --> 02:32:07,760
paragraph

3941
02:32:12,469 --> 02:32:10,479
the uap task force intends to focus its

3942
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:12,479
further investigations

3943
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,720
on instances where what appear to be

3944
02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:16,319
aerial objects

3945
02:32:21,110 --> 02:32:18,080
are displaying

3946
02:32:24,469 --> 02:32:21,120
advanced aerospace capabilities right

3947
02:32:26,630 --> 02:32:24,479
they're flying in ways that are unusual

3948
02:32:27,910 --> 02:32:26,640
and they appear to display signature

3949
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:27,920
management

3950
02:32:30,790 --> 02:32:29,439
this of course involving the use of

3951
02:32:32,870 --> 02:32:30,800
electromagnetic frequencies to

3952
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:32,880
essentially make it more difficult for

3953
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:34,319
you to be detected you know radar

3954
02:32:39,750 --> 02:32:36,640
jamming and other things like that now

3955
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:39,760
look guys as far as i know i'm no expert

3956
02:32:43,110 --> 02:32:41,280
on ball lightning but i have to actually

3957
02:32:44,630 --> 02:32:43,120
study ball lightning like phenomena that

3958
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:44,640
manifests down at brown mountain north

3959
02:32:48,550 --> 02:32:45,920
carolina for years because i'm

3960
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:48,560
interested in certain natural forms of

3961
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:50,160
or what i presume to be natural forms of

3962
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:51,840
uap

3963
02:32:55,429 --> 02:32:53,680
but i would dare guess that if it's a

3964
02:32:57,510 --> 02:32:55,439
natural phenomena it's not going to have

3965
02:33:00,630 --> 02:32:57,520
some sort of an innate capacity that

3966
02:33:02,630 --> 02:33:00,640
allows it to jam radar systems to cloak

3967
02:33:05,590 --> 02:33:02,640
itself and perhaps even functionally

3968
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:05,600
operate without being easily visible let

3969
02:33:10,790 --> 02:33:08,640
alone being detected on radar or other

3970
02:33:12,550 --> 02:33:10,800
imaging systems you know in use by the

3971
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:12,560
military and i'm going to tell you right

3972
02:33:17,830 --> 02:33:14,240
now i've never seen these things go mach

3973
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:17,840
7 either right so let's take our break

3974
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right here you're absolutely right let's

3975
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take our break micah hanks is with us

3976
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we're going into overtime we're only

3977
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halfway through the show micah

3978
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:28,000
i'm just letting you know we're only

3979
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halfway through

3980
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little way to go a little way to go

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we'll be right back after this short

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recent article uh posted over at the

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why is the united states air force a

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wall

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on the uap issue i think i just flubbed

4093
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i've said i've said the title of that so

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many times micah

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i think i know by heart by now but i

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think i flubbed it but here's the point

4097
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uh in the short time that we have left

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um i have got uh four things that uh

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that i want to bring up and certainly

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uh

4101
02:39:50,389 --> 02:39:48,080
which

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02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:50,399
uh he's very elegant in the way that he

4103
02:39:55,270 --> 02:39:53,200
writes but i want to bring up this point

4104
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:55,280
um and and i'm going to read here he

4105
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:56,560
says

4106
02:40:01,429 --> 02:39:58,640
and i'm quoting is there a problem with

4107
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the f 22 sensor system

4108
02:40:07,990 --> 02:40:04,800
now i i found this very very interesting

4109
02:40:09,190 --> 02:40:08,000
because chris is very direct he says

4110
02:40:12,150 --> 02:40:09,200
if not

4111
02:40:15,269 --> 02:40:12,160
how is it possible that navy fighters

4112
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:15,279
with inferior sensors

4113
02:40:19,990 --> 02:40:17,680
right now we're talking about an insider

4114
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of the department of defense right chris

4115
02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:21,120
mellon

4116
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seems to know something here

4117
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:25,920
so he says how is it possible that navy

4118
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:28,000
fighters with inferior sensors were

4119
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routinely detecting

4120
02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:32,399
uap off the east coast of the united

4121
02:40:38,070 --> 02:40:34,960
states for years while the united states

4122
02:40:39,670 --> 02:40:38,080
air force f-22s operating in the same

4123
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:39,680
training areas

4124
02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:44,950
inconceivable in my opinion yeah

4125
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:47,200
inconceivable

4126
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:48,720
i didn't say it like that by the way but

4127
02:40:51,830 --> 02:40:49,760
anyway

4128
02:40:54,070 --> 02:40:51,840
you know what the best quote from the

4129
02:40:57,110 --> 02:40:54,080
princess bride i don't think you know

4130
02:41:04,710 --> 02:40:59,269
my name is

4131
02:41:09,269 --> 02:41:07,190
no i mean you know the thing is

4132
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:09,279
it seems inconceivable that what the the

4133
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:11,520
raptor you know would be incapable of

4134
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:13,920
detecting and again even if it's not uh

4135
02:41:21,110 --> 02:41:17,520
equipped with the same kind of forward

4136
02:41:23,510 --> 02:41:21,120
looking targeting pod as the atfleer

4137
02:41:25,269 --> 02:41:23,520
they nonetheless have similar

4138
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:25,279
capabilities they certainly have radar

4139
02:41:29,030 --> 02:41:27,520
they certainly have gun cameras

4140
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:29,040
and they certainly have pilots who are

4141
02:41:33,910 --> 02:41:31,040
as acute in their

4142
02:41:35,429 --> 02:41:33,920
own innate visual capacities when they

4143
02:41:37,349 --> 02:41:35,439
see something

4144
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:37,359
no doubt they see it just like a navy

4145
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:39,279
pilot would and i'll bet you this too

4146
02:41:43,190 --> 02:41:40,800
jimmy something tells me they're

4147
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:43,200
carrying smartphones that's right

4148
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:45,040
that's right that's right that's right

4149
02:41:50,230 --> 02:41:47,840
that's right hey i um i'm going to make

4150
02:41:52,550 --> 02:41:50,240
this really brief at the conscious life

4151
02:41:54,550 --> 02:41:52,560
expo i'm the short version of this

4152
02:41:55,990 --> 02:41:54,560
because we're out of time i'm walking

4153
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:56,000
out sunday night

4154
02:42:02,070 --> 02:41:58,880
conference is over and and i'm walking

4155
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:02,080
out of the lounge and i run into

4156
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:03,200
four

4157
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:05,040
commercial pilots

4158
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:06,800
all standing in a group you know it's

4159
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:08,399
the lax hilton right they're all

4160
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:09,600
standing there

4161
02:42:13,269 --> 02:42:11,600
and uh with their white shirts on with

4162
02:42:15,590 --> 02:42:13,279
the epaulettes you know and they got the

4163
02:42:18,230 --> 02:42:15,600
captain you know stuff and they're all

4164
02:42:20,630 --> 02:42:18,240
standing there and i walked right

4165
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:20,640
right into i said hey

4166
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:22,720
you guys are right in the middle of a

4167
02:42:28,150 --> 02:42:25,680
ufo conference right and they all lit up

4168
02:42:29,269 --> 02:42:28,160
right i said okay just let me ask you

4169
02:42:31,110 --> 02:42:29,279
this

4170
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:31,120
have you guys seen yeah have you guys

4171
02:42:36,389 --> 02:42:33,120
seen any anything strange ever seen a

4172
02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:36,399
ufo all four of them said no

4173
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:38,399
there were two older guys two younger

4174
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:40,880
like two guys in their 40s and two guys

4175
02:42:45,910 --> 02:42:44,720
in their 60s right so pilots co-pilots

4176
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:45,920
and um

4177
02:42:53,750 --> 02:42:46,720
uh

4178
02:42:55,990 --> 02:42:53,760
goes this is a ufo conference a ufo

4179
02:42:57,429 --> 02:42:56,000
convention he goes really and i said

4180
02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:57,439
okay

4181
02:43:02,309 --> 02:42:58,800
if you

4182
02:43:04,309 --> 02:43:02,319
had seen anything would you tell me

4183
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:04,319
all four said yes

4184
02:43:10,150 --> 02:43:07,760
and then uh one of the older pilots uh

4185
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:10,160
looked at me and said man i want to see

4186
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:12,240
something been hearing about all these

4187
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:15,040
navy pilots right

4188
02:43:19,510 --> 02:43:16,800
talking about what they've seen i would

4189
02:43:21,670 --> 02:43:19,520
love to see something i said you guys

4190
02:43:24,309 --> 02:43:21,680
have a good day and and walked away but

4191
02:43:26,550 --> 02:43:24,319
wasn't that wasn't that interesting

4192
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:26,560
their interest was right there

4193
02:43:30,550 --> 02:43:28,720
yeah yeah yeah it was pretty cool now

4194
02:43:32,870 --> 02:43:30,560
let me go to uh

4195
02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:32,880
we've got just a short time left

4196
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:34,720
uh here's a quote from the department of

4197
02:43:38,469 --> 02:43:36,560
defense quote

4198
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:38,479
as we have said previously the

4199
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:40,080
department of defense and all of the

4200
02:43:44,630 --> 02:43:42,800
military departments take any incursions

4201
02:43:47,510 --> 02:43:44,640
by unauthorized aircraft into our

4202
02:43:51,429 --> 02:43:47,520
training ranges or designated airspace

4203
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:51,439
very seriously and examine each report

4204
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:54,560
and quote so chris goes on to say

4205
02:43:59,590 --> 02:43:57,040
if this is true why is the united states

4206
02:44:03,110 --> 02:43:59,600
air force having such a difficult time

4207
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:03,120
identifying uap records and reports

4208
02:44:07,110 --> 02:44:04,479
and that's a legit

4209
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:07,120
a legitimate position to take isn't it

4210
02:44:10,389 --> 02:44:08,560
it certainly is and let me just point

4211
02:44:12,710 --> 02:44:10,399
out i may be the editor-in-chief now but

4212
02:44:15,030 --> 02:44:12,720
i'm still also a reporter my you know my

4213
02:44:16,790 --> 02:44:15,040
love in all this is writing and i will

4214
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:16,800
continue to write on this just as you

4215
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:18,560
know chris has done and as tim mcmillan

4216
02:44:21,910 --> 02:44:20,160
will continue to do you know he and i in

4217
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:21,920
fact are working on some things together

4218
02:44:25,349 --> 02:44:23,279
i say that because

4219
02:44:28,070 --> 02:44:25,359
in many instances when i have reached

4220
02:44:30,550 --> 02:44:28,080
out to dod spokespeople

4221
02:44:32,389 --> 02:44:30,560
that same quote essentially verbatim is

4222
02:44:34,070 --> 02:44:32,399
always what is said that is their

4223
02:44:36,710 --> 02:44:34,080
official position that being the reason

4224
02:44:39,110 --> 02:44:36,720
why if that is the official position

4225
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:39,120
again then it should follow

4226
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:40,880
that as chris points out

4227
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:42,720
the information should be accessible and

4228
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:44,960
yet it is not now

4229
02:44:49,349 --> 02:44:47,279
that can only mean one of maybe a few

4230
02:44:50,710 --> 02:44:49,359
things but however you cut it and

4231
02:44:53,030 --> 02:44:50,720
whatever the reason

4232
02:44:55,110 --> 02:44:53,040
is the information is not being released

4233
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:55,120
and i don't see that jimmy as being

4234
02:44:58,790 --> 02:44:56,560
fundamentally different from what we saw

4235
02:45:02,790 --> 02:44:58,800
back in 1958 as we outlined in the audio

4236
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:02,800
earlier yes and then uh chris

4237
02:45:07,349 --> 02:45:05,680
kind of uh turns it around a little bit

4238
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:07,359
and said you know what

4239
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:09,040
um

4240
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:13,040
if if i was a journalist i'm obviously

4241
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:15,200
putting words into our

4242
02:45:20,710 --> 02:45:16,960
thoughts into chris's head but this is

4243
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:20,720
the way i would ask the air force these

4244
02:45:23,190 --> 02:45:22,000
questions

4245
02:45:25,110 --> 02:45:23,200
one

4246
02:45:28,550 --> 02:45:25,120
claims abound concerning the united

4247
02:45:30,950 --> 02:45:28,560
states air force possession of materials

4248
02:45:32,630 --> 02:45:30,960
that might definitively answer the

4249
02:45:36,150 --> 02:45:32,640
question of whether a non-human

4250
02:45:38,389 --> 02:45:36,160
civilization has found earth

4251
02:45:40,870 --> 02:45:38,399
that would likely be the most tightly

4252
02:45:44,070 --> 02:45:40,880
held secret in our government

4253
02:45:46,309 --> 02:45:44,080
what is your response to such claims

4254
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:46,319
right and and just go straight at them

4255
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:49,120
and and try to get them

4256
02:45:54,790 --> 02:45:52,399
uh to confront these issues because

4257
02:45:57,429 --> 02:45:54,800
this has been out there for decades this

4258
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:57,439
has been repeated over and over again

4259
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:59,439
yeah i think that the earliest claims of

4260
02:46:03,030 --> 02:46:01,200
recoveries you know by the air force or

4261
02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:03,040
any other branch of the military go back

4262
02:46:06,469 --> 02:46:04,720
to probably frank scully you know and

4263
02:46:09,030 --> 02:46:06,479
behind the flying saucers you know the

4264
02:46:12,870 --> 02:46:09,040
earliest popular books on this subject

4265
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:12,880
in the 1990s the air force despite its

4266
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:15,200
lack of involvement after the closure of

4267
02:46:19,110 --> 02:46:16,800
project blue book

4268
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:19,120
again at the request of congress because

4269
02:46:22,389 --> 02:46:20,880
some congress men and women were getting

4270
02:46:25,349 --> 02:46:22,399
interested in the claims about the

4271
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:25,359
roswell incident and here again public

4272
02:46:30,150 --> 02:46:28,000
interest that was generated by uh the

4273
02:46:32,870 --> 02:46:30,160
books that were being written by i mean

4274
02:46:36,550 --> 02:46:32,880
uh don schmidt and um of course kevin

4275
02:46:38,870 --> 02:46:36,560
randle uh tom carey stanton friedman

4276
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:38,880
bill moore and charles burlitz you know

4277
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:40,399
wrote the very first book about roswell

4278
02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:42,399
that was a public book in 1980

4279
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:44,160
uh with all the attention it started

4280
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:46,000
getting and then unsolved mysteries

4281
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:47,600
dramatizing it

4282
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:49,439
and doing an episode about that

4283
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:51,120
there was significant enough attention

4284
02:46:55,349 --> 02:46:53,600
that there were people saying okay look

4285
02:46:56,710 --> 02:46:55,359
you know we we really need to get a

4286
02:46:59,349 --> 02:46:56,720
handle on this and so you know the air

4287
02:47:01,110 --> 02:46:59,359
force did reinvestigate roswell

4288
02:47:02,230 --> 02:47:01,120
you know kind of came out of retirement

4289
02:47:03,590 --> 02:47:02,240
so to speak

4290
02:47:05,510 --> 02:47:03,600
and what did they say they said look you

4291
02:47:07,269 --> 02:47:05,520
know guys these were mogul balloons and

4292
02:47:08,870 --> 02:47:07,279
now there are some researchers i've

4293
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:08,880
mentioned brad sparks several times over

4294
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:10,880
the course of this conversation he and

4295
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:13,040
others have actually plotted the paths

4296
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:14,720
the flight paths based on available

4297
02:47:18,710 --> 02:47:16,319
records of the mogul balloons and they

4298
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:18,720
don't think that those actually match

4299
02:47:28,389 --> 02:47:25,670
it's off by four years

4300
02:47:30,550 --> 02:47:28,399
so well now in terms of things being off

4301
02:47:32,630 --> 02:47:30,560
in in the air force's official report

4302
02:47:34,309 --> 02:47:32,640
they intentionally say

4303
02:47:36,309 --> 02:47:34,319
we think that a lot of the alleged

4304
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:36,319
witnesses are misremembering events that

4305
02:47:40,550 --> 02:47:38,240
happened a decade later

4306
02:47:42,469 --> 02:47:40,560
and and they they they used that in

4307
02:47:43,750 --> 02:47:42,479
their defense of jumbling together all

4308
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:43,760
kinds of stuff that happened from the

4309
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:46,240
40s all through the 50s and trying to

4310
02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:48,160
say all of these things misremembered

4311
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,399
over the years gave rise to the myth

4312
02:47:53,670 --> 02:47:52,160
that we now associate with roswell i'm

4313
02:47:55,670 --> 02:47:53,680
less concerned with whether or not

4314
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:55,680
roswell actually happened

4315
02:48:00,550 --> 02:47:57,920
than i am with the way and the logic in

4316
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:00,560
which the air force presented multiple

4317
02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:02,720
conflicting narratives and tried to find

4318
02:48:06,230 --> 02:48:04,800
a way to justify lumping them all

4319
02:48:08,070 --> 02:48:06,240
together and then blame that on the

4320
02:48:09,429 --> 02:48:08,080
witnesses you know that's kind of

4321
02:48:11,429 --> 02:48:09,439
strange but again their official

4322
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:11,439
position and the reason i mention all

4323
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:12,319
that is

4324
02:48:15,750 --> 02:48:13,840
they of course said no we never

4325
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:15,760
recovered a flying disc there at roswell

4326
02:48:19,190 --> 02:48:17,600
new mexico and i will point out

4327
02:48:20,550 --> 02:48:19,200
there is also some government data that

4328
02:48:22,550 --> 02:48:20,560
seems to corroborate that position i

4329
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:22,560
mean i think a day after the roswell

4330
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:24,240
incident allegedly happened there was

4331
02:48:30,469 --> 02:48:27,920
one page released by the fbi about that

4332
02:48:32,469 --> 02:48:30,479
and they were even saying in in 1947

4333
02:48:34,150 --> 02:48:32,479
that our data seems to show that this

4334
02:48:35,349 --> 02:48:34,160
was a balloon

4335
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:35,359
so i mean

4336
02:48:40,230 --> 02:48:37,920
you know so again that's the official

4337
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:40,240
air force position but there have also

4338
02:48:43,190 --> 02:48:41,520
been other reports you know ross

4339
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:43,200
coulthart's an interesting guy and i did

4340
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:46,080
read his book in plain sight and uh he

4341
02:48:49,590 --> 02:48:48,640
talks at in the later chapters oh no i

4342
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:49,600
don't want to give it away everybody

4343
02:48:53,110 --> 02:48:51,439
should read it it's a very good book

4344
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:53,120
but in the later chapters he does talk

4345
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:54,960
about a you know high-ranking navy

4346
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:57,200
official i believe that he spoke with

4347
02:49:01,990 --> 02:48:59,760
who had heard similar stories about

4348
02:49:04,309 --> 02:49:02,000
crash retrievals and things

4349
02:49:07,110 --> 02:49:04,319
and at one point years ago you know this

4350
02:49:09,030 --> 02:49:07,120
i'd all but kind of ruled that out

4351
02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:09,040
i'm i'm back on the fence on all of it

4352
02:49:15,070 --> 02:49:10,800
now i really am

4353
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:15,080
i am too i mean i i still go back

4354
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:17,120
everything and the witness and

4355
02:49:22,230 --> 02:49:19,439
everything about roswell

4356
02:49:23,670 --> 02:49:22,240
i i can put all of that to the side i i

4357
02:49:25,349 --> 02:49:23,680
really can

4358
02:49:27,910 --> 02:49:25,359
it's all great

4359
02:49:29,030 --> 02:49:27,920
i go back to the original army press

4360
02:49:32,950 --> 02:49:29,040
release

4361
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:32,960
that was absolutely poured over line by

4362
02:49:36,309 --> 02:49:34,000
line

4363
02:49:39,349 --> 02:49:36,319
at the most secretive

4364
02:49:42,870 --> 02:49:39,359
installation on planet earth roswell

4365
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:42,880
army airfield in the most tightly held

4366
02:49:46,870 --> 02:49:44,800
secretive state

4367
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:46,880
a piece of land

4368
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:48,720
in the entire world

4369
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:51,600
new mexico all of our brightest

4370
02:49:55,910 --> 02:49:54,000
scientists every our closely held

4371
02:49:59,030 --> 02:49:55,920
secrets were all there

4372
02:50:01,429 --> 02:49:59,040
and they knew what they were doing and

4373
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:01,439
if you're going to release

4374
02:50:05,830 --> 02:50:04,160
information like that

4375
02:50:09,590 --> 02:50:05,840
stating

4376
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:09,600
we've recovered a flying disc

4377
02:50:13,670 --> 02:50:11,279
that's done with intention

4378
02:50:15,750 --> 02:50:13,680
that that's not an accident now they had

4379
02:50:17,429 --> 02:50:15,760
to back pedal the next one you know what

4380
02:50:19,670 --> 02:50:17,439
that wasn't a good idea we handled this

4381
02:50:22,309 --> 02:50:19,680
the wrong way and they changed it but

4382
02:50:24,309 --> 02:50:22,319
that original press release stands on

4383
02:50:25,990 --> 02:50:24,319
its own and we've got to think about the

4384
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:26,000
time and place

4385
02:50:31,190 --> 02:50:28,560
uh where that uh

4386
02:50:33,269 --> 02:50:31,200
release was drafted and how that goes

4387
02:50:35,190 --> 02:50:33,279
through a chain of command that's not

4388
02:50:38,469 --> 02:50:35,200
done by mistake

4389
02:50:40,790 --> 02:50:38,479
it's it's simply not it's simply not and

4390
02:50:43,349 --> 02:50:40,800
like i said all the witnesses everything

4391
02:50:46,309 --> 02:50:43,359
all of that put put it to the side just

4392
02:50:47,750 --> 02:50:46,319
go to what the army airfield

4393
02:50:50,630 --> 02:50:47,760
released

4394
02:50:53,349 --> 02:50:50,640
and and the timing of it and where and

4395
02:50:57,750 --> 02:50:53,359
how we're talking about new mexico

4396
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:57,760
our only atomic bomb wing in the world

4397
02:51:00,950 --> 02:50:58,800
right

4398
02:51:02,389 --> 02:51:00,960
no no that press release was not an

4399
02:51:03,590 --> 02:51:02,399
accident they knew exactly what they

4400
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:03,600
were doing

4401
02:51:06,389 --> 02:51:04,720
so uh

4402
02:51:08,870 --> 02:51:06,399
continuing on

4403
02:51:10,870 --> 02:51:08,880
uh with chris's questions

4404
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:10,880
uh you know talking about the possession

4405
02:51:15,030 --> 02:51:12,479
of materials

4406
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:15,040
and he says perhaps that information is

4407
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:18,000
deemed so sensitive that you and others

4408
02:51:21,910 --> 02:51:19,840
you know speaking to the air force right

4409
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:21,920
that you and others are enjoying from

4410
02:51:26,070 --> 02:51:23,680
sharing it with the congressional

4411
02:51:29,190 --> 02:51:26,080
oversight committees so here is a

4412
02:51:31,349 --> 02:51:29,200
broader question for you the air force

4413
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:31,359
are you confident that we have

4414
02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:33,920
sufficient processes in place to ensure

4415
02:51:40,469 --> 02:51:37,439
that at a minimum any sitting president

4416
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:40,479
secretary of defense or dni director of

4417
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:43,439
national intelligence would be aware of

4418
02:51:49,510 --> 02:51:46,399
such information or made promptly aware

4419
02:51:51,670 --> 02:51:49,520
if such information came to light

4420
02:51:53,110 --> 02:51:51,680
what about congress

4421
02:51:55,349 --> 02:51:53,120
and that is

4422
02:51:58,790 --> 02:51:55,359
so elegant right there the way that

4423
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:58,800
chris mellon is is is pointing this out

4424
02:52:03,349 --> 02:52:01,120
that we need to go straight at the air

4425
02:52:05,030 --> 02:52:03,359
force and ask these very important

4426
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:05,040
questions and issues

4427
02:52:11,110 --> 02:52:08,399
and again i hope that as you know under

4428
02:52:13,030 --> 02:52:11,120
carson and a few others have seems to

4429
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,040
indicate i mean i hope that there will

4430
02:52:17,590 --> 02:52:15,359
be at very least consideration given to

4431
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:17,600
trying to bring this before

4432
02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:19,439
congress and have you know actual

4433
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:22,319
official congressional hearings

4434
02:52:26,070 --> 02:52:24,160
unfortunately though

4435
02:52:28,150 --> 02:52:26,080
i would also say and again the e-word

4436
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:28,160
you use elegant i think that that really

4437
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:30,720
is the best summation of chris mellon's

4438
02:52:34,630 --> 02:52:32,479
writing and the way he presents this

4439
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:34,640
article he did he did a remarkable job

4440
02:52:37,429 --> 02:52:35,920
um

4441
02:52:38,389 --> 02:52:37,439
it was truly a pleasure working with him

4442
02:52:40,070 --> 02:52:38,399
on it but

4443
02:52:41,750 --> 02:52:40,080
as far as why you know would this be

4444
02:52:43,429 --> 02:52:41,760
with this information if it exists be

4445
02:52:44,870 --> 02:52:43,439
shared with the president with the dni

4446
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:44,880
you know with the secretary of defense

4447
02:52:48,870 --> 02:52:47,359
with you know congressmen and women

4448
02:52:50,389 --> 02:52:48,880
i've often heard people say over the

4449
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,399
years why would you share that

4450
02:52:53,429 --> 02:52:52,080
information with people holding temp

4451
02:52:55,429 --> 02:52:53,439
positions

4452
02:52:56,469 --> 02:52:55,439
do you think that would be the air force

4453
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:56,479
response

4454
02:53:00,790 --> 02:52:58,720
i understand that that is our that you

4455
02:53:01,830 --> 02:53:00,800
know that's an easy conclusion for us to

4456
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:01,840
come to

4457
02:53:05,910 --> 02:53:04,479
but do you think the air force

4458
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:05,920
it's not a good conclusion and it's not

4459
02:53:10,150 --> 02:53:07,920
what we want but i think in in some ways

4460
02:53:11,670 --> 02:53:10,160
it's the reality now again there's been

4461
02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:11,680
much made of for instance statements

4462
02:53:15,190 --> 02:53:13,279
over the years like for instance jimmy

4463
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:15,200
carter going to then

4464
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:18,000
director of the cia george herbert

4465
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:20,319
walker bush and asking about ufo

4466
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:21,600
information and being told you don't

4467
02:53:25,190 --> 02:53:23,600
have necessary classification for that

4468
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:25,200
but keep in mind at the time that he

4469
02:53:28,070 --> 02:53:26,160
asked

4470
02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:28,080
he was i think president-elect and had

4471
02:53:31,190 --> 02:53:29,760
not been sworn in

4472
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:31,200
and he didn't have the necessary

4473
02:53:35,030 --> 02:53:33,279
classification having not been actually

4474
02:53:36,950 --> 02:53:35,040
sworn in as president

4475
02:53:39,349 --> 02:53:36,960
and so what bush actually asked the rest

4476
02:53:42,790 --> 02:53:39,359
of the story as paul harvey would say

4477
02:53:44,790 --> 02:53:42,800
was he asked bush asked uh if if carter

4478
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:44,800
would keep him on in his administration

4479
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:47,920
as the you know cia director and carter

4480
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:49,359
said no i'm going to appoint somebody

4481
02:53:52,389 --> 02:53:50,640
else and so bush said well if you're not

4482
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:52,399
going to keep me on then you would have

4483
02:53:55,030 --> 02:53:53,760
to go through other channels to get that

4484
02:53:57,030 --> 02:53:55,040
information here's what you could do and

4485
02:53:59,429 --> 02:53:57,040
he gave him some information but carter

4486
02:54:01,110 --> 02:53:59,439
was still never able as far as we know

4487
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:01,120
to get access to that information but

4488
02:54:04,309 --> 02:54:02,880
again many have asked based on that you

4489
02:54:05,670 --> 02:54:04,319
know if a president can't get it then

4490
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:05,680
who can

4491
02:54:08,550 --> 02:54:07,200
the other side of that argument is well

4492
02:54:10,630 --> 02:54:08,560
you know he's going to be out in four

4493
02:54:12,550 --> 02:54:10,640
years at most eight years it's a temp

4494
02:54:15,030 --> 02:54:12,560
position and you know

4495
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:15,040
all discussion about uh redistricting

4496
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:18,240
aside you know so are in theory congress

4497
02:54:21,510 --> 02:54:20,080
and senate seats so i mean you know are

4498
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:21,520
you going to get that information to

4499
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:23,520
somebody who may come and then go very

4500
02:54:27,190 --> 02:54:25,439
quickly whereas

4501
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:27,200
the military

4502
02:54:30,389 --> 02:54:28,880
establishment the more bureaucratic

4503
02:54:32,309 --> 02:54:30,399
elements within both the military and

4504
02:54:34,389 --> 02:54:32,319
the intelligence community you know

4505
02:54:36,309 --> 02:54:34,399
where individuals can be appointed and

4506
02:54:38,150 --> 02:54:36,319
they may remain in a certain position

4507
02:54:39,590 --> 02:54:38,160
for many many many years

4508
02:54:42,790 --> 02:54:39,600
you know that seems to be where the real

4509
02:54:44,630 --> 02:54:42,800
secrecy is held i hope to your point to

4510
02:54:45,990 --> 02:54:44,640
chris's point that the air force's

4511
02:54:47,269 --> 02:54:46,000
response would not be no we're not going

4512
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:47,279
to give that information to people who

4513
02:54:49,670 --> 02:54:48,800
are temp employees

4514
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:49,680
right

4515
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:53,359
but is it isn't it isn't uh

4516
02:54:55,590 --> 02:54:54,800
uh

4517
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:55,600
the

4518
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:00,960
under

4519
02:55:05,670 --> 02:55:04,240
uh the commander-in-chief

4520
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:05,680
yeah yeah they are supposed to be

4521
02:55:08,790 --> 02:55:07,920
directed right right so can

4522
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:08,800
why

4523
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:09,840
doesn't

4524
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:15,040
have the juice card

4525
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:17,680
to get whatever information he wants out

4526
02:55:21,910 --> 02:55:19,279
of the branches of the military

4527
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:21,920
including the air force and the ufo uap

4528
02:55:27,670 --> 02:55:25,520
issue did carter go to the wrong did

4529
02:55:29,830 --> 02:55:27,680
he went to the cia

4530
02:55:32,469 --> 02:55:29,840
should he have gone to the air force and

4531
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:32,479
would the air force have to comply

4532
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:34,800
what's interesting is that i remember uh

4533
02:55:38,950 --> 02:55:37,680
close to the end of his term obama was

4534
02:55:40,950 --> 02:55:38,960
interviewed

4535
02:55:42,790 --> 02:55:40,960
and he mentioned ufos many times during

4536
02:55:46,070 --> 02:55:42,800
his presidency but he said you know when

4537
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:46,080
you see the files on the the jfk and

4538
02:55:48,950 --> 02:55:47,200
roswell

4539
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:48,960
it's disappointing

4540
02:55:53,830 --> 02:55:51,359
but then of course more recently he did

4541
02:55:55,510 --> 02:55:53,840
a appearance on late night where he

4542
02:55:58,150 --> 02:55:55,520
acknowledged you know there are videos

4543
02:56:00,790 --> 02:55:58,160
of things that we can't identify

4544
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:00,800
and he spoke about them as though he had

4545
02:56:04,389 --> 02:56:02,960
not only recently been following all

4546
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:04,399
this like everybody else now maybe he

4547
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:06,080
had and maybe he just spoke very

4548
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:07,760
intelligently about it

4549
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:09,359
and that and it was just a passing

4550
02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:11,359
interest of his

4551
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:13,840
if i'm to read into this it seemed

4552
02:56:18,230 --> 02:56:16,160
to me as though obama had probably had

4553
02:56:19,830 --> 02:56:18,240
some limited awareness of this from his

4554
02:56:21,590 --> 02:56:19,840
time in office

4555
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:21,600
but again you know i'm asking myself you

4556
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:23,760
know if i'm a u.s president and i saw

4557
02:56:26,150 --> 02:56:24,960
all the stuff

4558
02:56:29,349 --> 02:56:26,160
that i mean has been released through

4559
02:56:31,429 --> 02:56:29,359
the foia process to civilians from all

4560
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:31,439
the different branches of the military

4561
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:33,760
from the intelligence agencies you know

4562
02:56:37,030 --> 02:56:35,359
and even the insinuation that there was

4563
02:56:38,790 --> 02:56:37,040
more that we haven't seen that you know

4564
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:38,800
agencies like the nsa when we were

4565
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:40,000
discussing the cause thing from the

4566
02:56:44,630 --> 02:56:42,399
1980s earlier right you know all that

4567
02:56:46,710 --> 02:56:44,640
would tell me as commander-in-chief wow

4568
02:56:49,429 --> 02:56:46,720
there is a there there

4569
02:56:50,950 --> 02:56:49,439
there's a huge there there

4570
02:56:53,910 --> 02:56:50,960
and i'm going to do everything within my

4571
02:56:55,670 --> 02:56:53,920
power to try and leverage my power as

4572
02:56:57,910 --> 02:56:55,680
the commander in chief during my tenure

4573
02:57:00,230 --> 02:56:57,920
in this position in the oval office to

4574
02:57:02,630 --> 02:57:00,240
try and get to the bottom of this or to

4575
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:02,640
try and bring this to the public in a

4576
02:57:08,309 --> 02:57:05,120
way that is digestible and releasable

4577
02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:08,319
that will not affect national security a

4578
02:57:12,469 --> 02:57:10,240
real question i have is why that hasn't

4579
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:12,479
happened yet

4580
02:57:16,469 --> 02:57:14,720
you know what is it i mean do do is

4581
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:16,479
there pressure that is placed is it that

4582
02:57:19,349 --> 02:57:17,920
stigma

4583
02:57:21,429 --> 02:57:19,359
that governs that at the end of the day

4584
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:21,439
well i don't want to be remembered as

4585
02:57:26,630 --> 02:57:24,080
the the little green men president

4586
02:57:28,230 --> 02:57:26,640
you know is there legacy is is are there

4587
02:57:30,230 --> 02:57:28,240
cultural issues

4588
02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:30,240
that trump all of that what what is that

4589
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:33,040
what is that to me jimmy this is simply

4590
02:57:35,830 --> 02:57:33,920
put

4591
02:57:37,190 --> 02:57:35,840
potentially the most significant

4592
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:37,200
question that

4593
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:40,800
science or our military or philosophers

4594
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:43,200
of any era have ever asked the

4595
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:45,840
implications go beyond potentially

4596
02:57:50,070 --> 02:57:48,160
depending on what this is our own planet

4597
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:50,080
but they certainly affect everybody on

4598
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:51,200
this planet

4599
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:53,120
that is that has got i couldn't imagine

4600
02:57:57,830 --> 02:57:55,680
a better contender for the greatest

4601
02:57:58,790 --> 02:57:57,840
issue of all time than this

4602
02:58:01,349 --> 02:57:58,800
why

4603
02:58:03,910 --> 02:58:01,359
is there so little traction well you

4604
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:03,920
know i uh i learned a couple of things

4605
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:06,319
uh from tonight's show from you and i

4606
02:58:09,910 --> 02:58:08,399
love learning and getting my knowledge

4607
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:09,920
on one

4608
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:12,399
you sleep like a bat

4609
02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:15,120
yeah number two you say meteorite

4610
02:58:18,389 --> 02:58:17,040
correctly say it

4611
02:58:19,750 --> 02:58:18,399
media

4612
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:19,760
right

4613
02:58:25,510 --> 02:58:22,800
oh meteorite see you say it correctly

4614
02:58:30,150 --> 02:58:25,520
okay now now now look look at your

4615
02:58:33,830 --> 02:58:31,990
uh ladies and gentlemen he's holding

4616
02:58:36,070 --> 02:58:33,840
what appears to be guano so apparently

4617
02:58:38,150 --> 02:58:36,080
you sleep like a bat as well that was

4618
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:38,160
gifted to me this weekend

4619
02:58:42,309 --> 02:58:39,040
media

4620
02:58:44,550 --> 02:58:42,319
is that a meteorite yeah it is a big big

4621
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:44,560
head it's heavy man

4622
02:58:49,670 --> 02:58:46,720
it's it isn't that incredible isn't that

4623
02:58:51,030 --> 02:58:49,680
cool look at that sits right here man i

4624
02:58:52,389 --> 02:58:51,040
think about think about this think about

4625
02:58:54,230 --> 02:58:52,399
this really quickly i know that we got

4626
02:58:57,030 --> 02:58:54,240
to go but dude here's the deal

4627
02:58:58,950 --> 02:58:57,040
so little as 150 years ago

4628
02:59:01,750 --> 02:58:58,960
there were scientists who did not

4629
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:01,760
believe that stones fell from the sky

4630
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:05,600
isn't that right isn't that incredible

4631
02:59:09,510 --> 02:59:07,359
to think that there are phenomena that

4632
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:09,520
literally fall from the sky and land in

4633
02:59:14,150 --> 02:59:11,600
our fields right

4634
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:14,160
and that we can on any clear night go

4635
02:59:17,910 --> 02:59:16,080
out and look at the stars and observe

4636
02:59:19,750 --> 02:59:17,920
and see for ourselves to think that

4637
02:59:21,590 --> 02:59:19,760
people didn't know what that was and

4638
02:59:23,190 --> 02:59:21,600
many didn't believe that the little

4639
02:59:24,469 --> 02:59:23,200
stones we find laying in the field were

4640
02:59:26,230 --> 02:59:24,479
associated with those lights seen

4641
02:59:29,269 --> 02:59:26,240
streaking through the sky i couldn't

4642
02:59:30,950 --> 02:59:29,279
imagine a better you know corollary for

4643
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:30,960
oh wow sometimes there are things that

4644
02:59:35,429 --> 02:59:32,960
people see that can't be explained but

4645
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:35,439
with time and with interest and with

4646
02:59:39,990 --> 02:59:37,439
effort by scientists we unravel these

4647
02:59:41,910 --> 02:59:40,000
mysteries meteorites were mysterious too

4648
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:41,920
and not very long ago remember that

4649
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:44,000
ladies and gents

4650
02:59:49,110 --> 02:59:46,080
and i'm gonna uh i'm gonna leave

4651
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:49,120
everybody with this quote uh from chris

4652
02:59:55,510 --> 02:59:52,640
mellon sums it up he says quote

4653
02:59:58,550 --> 02:59:55,520
the uap issue was a serious test of our

4654
03:00:01,510 --> 02:59:58,560
intellectual integrity and courage

4655
03:00:04,710 --> 03:00:01,520
perhaps even the ultimate test

4656
03:00:07,830 --> 03:00:04,720
although it is a stern test i believe

4657
03:00:11,429 --> 03:00:07,840
our civilian policy makers have the

4658
03:00:14,550 --> 03:00:11,439
courage and integrity needed to rise to

4659
03:00:16,550 --> 03:00:14,560
the challenge end quote chris mellon

4660
03:00:18,790 --> 03:00:16,560
yeah see that's why i like chris mullen

4661
03:00:21,990 --> 03:00:18,800
as hard as i try as much as i endeavor

4662
03:00:23,910 --> 03:00:22,000
to try and you know perfectly phrase

4663
03:00:25,910 --> 03:00:23,920
everything in a short span of time about

4664
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:25,920
the uap issue he always somehow does

4665
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:27,359
better and that's why everybody should

4666
03:00:32,309 --> 03:00:30,000
go read the article i mean he does 7 800

4667
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:32,319
words worth so there's a lot to read but

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i'm going to tell you you will come away

4669
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from reading that with a different

4670
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perspective it's at thedebrief.org again

4671
03:00:43,429 --> 03:00:41,040
why is the air force a wall on the uap

4672
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issue it's a very relevant question one

4673
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i think we need some answers to thank

4674
03:00:49,590 --> 03:00:47,600
you so much micah uh when

4675
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do you uh

4676
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do your new shows

4677
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you know my new shows usually drop on

4678
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tuesdays you can find all the past

4679
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episodes over there at micahhanks.com

4680
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forward slash podcast if you just go to

4681
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mikeyhanks.com you'll find everything i

4682
03:01:04,550 --> 03:01:03,040
do right there on the main page and

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people are welcome to reach out to me on

4684
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twitter at micah hanks or info micah

4685
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hanks.com is the email

4686
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i can be busy so if i don't respond

4687
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right away don't get ill i'll try to get

4688
03:01:17,030 --> 03:01:14,880
back in touch soon but again i'd love to

4689
03:01:19,590 --> 03:01:17,040
hear from people thank you so much micah

4690
03:01:22,070 --> 03:01:19,600
and much success over at the debrief

4691
03:01:24,389 --> 03:01:22,080
everybody should go and check out right

4692
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now over at thedebrief.org

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chris mellon's recent article and the

4694
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response uh to that which is right above

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it i am your host jimmy church another

4696
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great episode tomorrow night is fader

4697
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night with open lines all night long

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all night long

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until then be safe

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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so